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    The 130mm is currently aimed at the MGCS project, but France, Germany's partner in MGCS, is testing its own 140mm gun. The future of the 130mm is not yet secured, and so we are not likely to see tanks with a 130mm or 140mm until the 2030's.
    Problem with the 140mm is the number of rounds that a even a large tank can hold. It can be as low as 12.
    RM's 130mm has been put on a Cr2 hull for a reason.

    It's a sales pitch based on sound logic - in as far as it makes sense not that the British Army will see sense - which gives the CR2 overmatch until the next heavy ground vehicle evolution. MGCS would run in parallel until the the tech is secured and the French bail and do their own thing like they always do...

    This is very much a look at what we can do to your old Tank, do you want ?

    Points made about readiness , forward basing etc are all valid but don't detract from the need to upgrade the actual hulls themselves.
    The French aren't going to their own thing this time around though.
    Nexter (French tank builder) and Krauss-Maffei-Wegman (German tank builder) formed a joint company to build Germany's and France's new MBT.

    KMW+Nexter Defense Systems
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KMW%2B...efense_Systems

    They will build the new tank and SPG for both the French and German armies.

    The tech demonstrator put a Leclerc turret on a Leopard chassis.

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    The French will be French though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    Brits just got ARES
    I'm confused,. an amoured reconnaissance vehicle- OK, but also troop carrying variant?

    " In service, ARES will provide safe transportation of fully-equipped soldiers in a well-protected environment. On dismount, troops will be able to more effectively conduct a variety of tasks, such as dismounted surveillance (including patrols), observation posts and close target reconnaissance "

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    We've seen this before haven't we?

    How is the Ares supposed to be a troop carrier, it's so fucking huge. It's literally the British Bradley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
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    Does MBT's even have a role any more?

    Even infantry can now kill one with a missile launcher.
    Future tanks will need some really potent defensive systems.
    The Merkava can defeat ATGMs with it's point defense system so no they can't.

    MBTs definitely still have a role.

    For how long? 5 missiles? 10 missiles? 25 missiles?
    Tanks are expensive, missiles are cheap and fast to produce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
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    Does MBT's even have a role any more?

    Even infantry can now kill one with a missile launcher.
    Future tanks will need some really potent defensive systems.
    The Merkava can defeat ATGMs with it's point defense system so no they can't.

    MBTs definitely still have a role.

    For how long? 5 missiles? 10 missiles? 25 missiles?
    Tanks are expensive, missiles are cheap and fast to produce.
    Oh, like that. Well tanks have always been vulnerable to the tactics you describe so nothing has really fundamentally changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post


    We've seen this before haven't we?

    How is the Ares supposed to be a troop carrier, it's so fucking huge. It's literally the British Bradley.
    I suggest you look up the Aussie L400 procurement program currently ongoing to get an idea of the size of current troop carrying vehicles.

    The Ajax family couldn't be further away from the Bradley in design, fit, modularity and survivability.

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    BMP-3: 2.4 meters high
    Bradley: 2.98 meters high
    Ajax: 3 meters high

    One of these is a proper troop carrier. The others are death traps waiting to take a hit to their nonexistant armor from an enemy MBT. The troops inside are basically dead if the turret takes a hit from HEAT. That extra .5 meters to their profile makes them huge targets.

    Oh and the Ajax isn't even amphibious. Amazing Nato cannot into proper troop carrier design since 1970s scenes.

    real edit: So the Russians are even phasing out the BMP-3 with the Kurganets line of IFV which at 3.1m "is higher, thus better designed for mounted combat, rather than a troop carrier. Higher floor also means better IED and mine protection, better adapting the vehicle to asymmetric warfare."

    Basically a tacit acknowledgement by these design bureaus that the vehicles will never be used in a real war and face enemy MBTs, but only used to brutalize peasants and insurgents abroad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    BMP-3: 2.4 meters high
    Bradley: 2.98 meters high
    Ajax: 3 meters high

    One of these is a proper troop carrier. The others are death traps waiting to take a hit to their nonexistant armor from an enemy MBT. The troops inside are basically dead if the turret takes a hit from HEAT. That extra .5 meters to their profile makes them huge targets.

    Oh and the Ajax isn't even amphibious. Amazing Nato cannot into proper troop carrier design since 1970s scenes.
    You should see the Israeli Eitan 8x8 IFV


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    Kurganets-25: 3.1m

    at least it can swim

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    you can't really use that as a benchmark, the Bundeswehr has, since the end of the cold war, considered maintence something that happens to other people
    I remember reading an article a while back that the Bundeswehr had to resort to using broom sticks or something in lieu of weapons for scheduled joint training. Also another time they had to combine elements of multiple units to get a single fully equipped and operational unit for NATO training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogbeast View Post
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    you can't really use that as a benchmark, the Bundeswehr has, since the end of the cold war, considered maintence something that happens to other people
    I remember reading an article a while back that the Bundeswehr had to resort to using broom sticks or something in lieu of weapons for scheduled joint training. Also another time they had to combine elements of multiple units to get a single fully equipped and operational unit for NATO training.
    A graphic on the Bundeswehr army reforms

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    No need to understand German, the graphic is quite well done with NATO standard symbols, to see the enormous loss of capabilities...peace dividend in action. Then trying to get back some of those capabilities will cost 3 or 4 times

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    who needs an army, no one would ever start a ground war in europe guys

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    historically, unified Germany not having an army is a good thing, they might gang up with some Austrians and get adventurous again.
    Viking, n.:
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    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    you can't really use that as a benchmark, the Bundeswehr has, since the end of the cold war, considered maintence something that happens to other people
    While serving my draft, my whole service time basically was maintenace. Not much else the Bundeswehr could do with us after our initial training was finished after 3 month.

    With all the oil on my uniform, I looked more like a mechanic than a soldier in the evening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
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    Does MBT's even have a role any more?

    Even infantry can now kill one with a missile launcher.
    Future tanks will need some really potent defensive systems.
    The Merkava can defeat ATGMs with it's point defense system so no they can't.

    MBTs definitely still have a role.

    For how long? 5 missiles? 10 missiles? 25 missiles?
    Tanks are expensive, missiles are cheap and fast to produce.
    Oh, like that. Well tanks have always been vulnerable to the tactics you describe so nothing has really fundamentally changed.
    How many can it defeat at the same time? From what I'm aware, during war in Croatia it was standard to shoot at least 2 at a time, from different angles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
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    you can't really use that as a benchmark, the Bundeswehr has, since the end of the cold war, considered maintence something that happens to other people
    While serving my draft, my whole service time basically was maintenace. Not much else the Bundeswehr could do with us after our initial training was finished after 3 month.

    With all the oil on my uniform, I looked more like a mechanic than a soldier in the evening.
    maintence kinda requires purchasing spare parts to replace broken bits, that's the thing the Bundeswehr is not doing on the regular for assorted equipment to save money, say with your new Puma IFV's, or Leopard 2's, or Eurofighters to name the ones from the last 5 years that became outright scandals, oh are the F-125's actually able to leave port yet ?
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogbeast View Post
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    you can't really use that as a benchmark, the Bundeswehr has, since the end of the cold war, considered maintence something that happens to other people
    I remember reading an article a while back that the Bundeswehr had to resort to using broom sticks or something in lieu of weapons for scheduled joint training. Also another time they had to combine elements of multiple units to get a single fully equipped and operational unit for NATO training.
    The Bundeswehr army museum has that broom on display.

    The logistical overhead of the Bundeswehr is partially a result of NATO logistical and command run by the Bundeswehr. The planes might be American, the planning etc is done by Germans though.

    Also about that pre-1992 army structure... Does that include the units formed from the East German Army that was amalgated into the Bundeswehr in 1990?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shuko View Post
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    Could be worse, you could be the Netherlands which had 445 Leo 2, sold all of them
    Thanks!

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    Now we have more things to put outdated AA-turrets on.
    Well they are the worlds only operative marksmen!

    Sadly the leo-borne marksman turrets aren't as comically oversized as when mounted on T-55.

    The Chad T-55 version


    vs the lame leo 2:

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    the Trash-55 version is amazing tbh.
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    the Trash-55 version is amazing tbh.
    Sadly Finnish maintenance and repainting personel are too on the point and the 7 units didn't really develop any proper east-block rust. Just about to finish a 1:35 model of the t-55 marksman and it feels so wrong to only do really light weathering on a t-series hull

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