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  1. #161
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    [PVP] Loki

    I like that single plate setup.

    I made some radical changes to my solo Loki, will post when I get home
    Actually an '06.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    It wasn't me
    Oops. Fixed. Wouldn't have happened if you hada gun an avatar.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    Also, y u no AB bonus SS with AB?
    Because I was messing around with an MWD fit instead of an AB. Decided on an AB at the last minute. Oops. Fixed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    And by god never fly an armour loki with active hardeners without a cap injector or certainty of cap trans on demand (guardians). You can't outrun shit, and will be tackling, so you best have a plan to deal with being neuted hard.
    I always have Guardians or a Archon ongrid but that's a good point, and one I explored.

      Spoiler:
    [Loki, PvP AHAX(missiles)]
    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

    Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
    Corpum A-Type Energized Kinetic Membrane
    Corpum A-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
    1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II

    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
    10MN Afterburner II

    425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M

    Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump II


    I figure anyone flying a 1b+ ship should have the brains to know if he should swap out the hards for membranes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    Actually, for T2 rigs, aren't a-type membranes worth it?
    You mean A-type specifics? Yea. The EANMs are a bill a pop still. Medium T2 Trimarks are only 65m a pop.

    Quote Originally Posted by StevieTopSiders View Post
    This is the shitfit I bought, but Badversity. has yet to flex its armor fleet muscles.

    ~Snip~

    I don't give a fuck about DPS, so there.
    If you don't give a fuck about DPS:
      Spoiler:
    [Loki, PvP AHAX(M2P)]
    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector
    Loki Offensive - Hardpoint Efficiency Configuration
    Loki Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers

    Damage Control II
    1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
    Corpum A-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
    Corpum A-Type Energized Kinetic Membrane
    Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
    1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II

    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
    10MN Afterburner II

    Light Missile Launcher II
    Light Missile Launcher II
    Light Missile Launcher II
    Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
    Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

    Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump II


    If you do want a tiny bit of DPS, you can upgrade to T2 plates on your fit like so:
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    [Loki, PvP AHAX(G2P)]
    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers

    Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
    Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
    Corpum A-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
    Corelum A-Type Energized Kinetic Membrane
    1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
    1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II

    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
    10MN Afterburner II

    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II

    Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

    Last edited by Cue1*; October 17 2012 at 07:30:58 AM.

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    Whats the logic in running Passive hards as opposed to Actives? I run C-Type actives as they are effective and can be overloaded.

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    Resists on a loki are very high, and there's also plenty of buffer when plated & trimarked. Thus logistics will basically always get you in time, and your tank will be one of the strongest (it's also decently small & fast). That combined with the fact it's often a tackler rather than just 1 more dps ship, you will be neuted, and without little & often cap delivery, active hardeners & any DC2 will be off and that is what will break you.
    In fact, iirc a faction+ EANM is better resists than a DC2 (perhaps assuming not perfect links or with armour vs resists SS?), and well worth considering as a fully passive tank.
    Watch one tank for ~3mins with cap bouncing about as well as armour.

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    Here is the aforementioned solo hunting fit:

    [Loki, Loki - GHO MWD]

    Damage Control II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II

    10MN Microwarpdrive II
    Large Shield Extender II
    Large Shield Extender II
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe
    Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

    Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
    Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
    Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II

    Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
    Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
    Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
    Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

    411 | 473 DPS w/ RF EMP/Fusion/PP
    71.3k EHP (60.2k / 6.09k / 5.03k)
    1884 | 2677 m/s
    7.18s align

    Would post price but according to Pyfa 30km points are 1.25bil isk now -.-
    Actually an '06.

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    haha ye it's minnie t5 cashout time and someone is taking the piss because noone runs krusual tribe missions anymore for the "cheap" RF points.

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    Ok, wtf, there is one RF point in Jita, and its 1.25 bil 0.o

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    Use ts then?

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    You mean Domination. ~160mil iirc. Or wait for RF to be reseeded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
    Use ts then?
    I generally run TS on things that aren't T3/Arazu/Lachesis

    Far more economical.

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    zombie Hydra's recent T3 favourite seems to have evolved since last encountered.

    [Loki, Nindiil's Loki better?]

    Damage Control II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II

    Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner
    Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
    Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
    Dread Guristas Warp Scrambler

    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
    Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M

    Medium Ancillary Current Router I
    Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
    Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
    Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


    Hornet EC-300 x4
    Warrior II x5


    As per the second link below, they use 425s, nothing in the neut's high, and need fitting implants. This is ~75dps less after heat but fits and has the neut, plus slightly more resists, speed & agility.

    Farm idiots every day.
    Tengu seems to be plain 100mn AB HL version, not some weird ECM one or HAMs.

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    I'd rather run something like this, honestly:

    [Loki, Loki - Doublemint]
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Internal Force Field Array I

    Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner
    Dread Guristas Warp Scrambler
    Caldari Navy Stasis Webifier
    Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
    Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150

    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
    Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

    Medium Ancillary Current Router I
    Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
    Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
    Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
    Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


    Warrior II x5
    Hornet EC-300 x5

    My only concern would be ECM, since you're trading the dissolution sequencer away for +1 mid. Losing one TE is no big deal since it's a brawling fit and the web easily makes up for the loss in tracking.

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    I'd say go DB scram, Fed web, but yeah not bad. IDK that they are using it as brawlers so much, more that the scrams keep stuff from getting in web range, the tengu can long-point & dps anything. 8km+ less falloff than their original dual TE & 425s version, but yes a web is v nice. Might even be able to go with a dps rig over the poly, just depends how vulnerable it is without the ECCM.
    Could also do a smarty instead of the neut, CPU rig, get T2 DC, better scram.
    Last edited by Daneel Trevize; November 6 2012 at 08:27:33 PM.

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    neuts fuck you over competely...

    all it takes is a double med neut cane or even a bs with a heavy neut and you are toast.

    at least use a med nos. with big ab web and scram you are good against frigs anyway

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    Id drop the web for a capbooster! For exactly the reasons lex posted!

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    Well what can I say, except ~elite pvpers~ apparently deal without, or have a basi/carrier buddy that never whores.
    I would think a nos isn't that useful, the biggest neut threat's surely 1+ heavy on BSs or a Curse. Your nos won't be in range unless you really fucked up.

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    I just bought a Daneel/HYDRA 100MN Loki mashup and some LG Snakes. Will report back after the weekend. Additionally, I was trying to theorycraft a fit with the cap regen matrix, but you lose a lot of grid. Here's my effort:

    [Loki, Recharge]
    Internal Force Field Array I
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II

    Federation Navy 100MN Afterburner
    Dread Guristas Warp Scrambler
    Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
    Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
    Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150

    Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    [empty high slot]

    Medium Ancillary Current Router II
    Medium Ancillary Current Router II
    Medium Ancillary Current Router I

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
    Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

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    With ASBs getting smaller charge storage space in a couple of weeks, T2 rigs seems a bit pricy if it wasn't rigged to begin with. Though I guess cost might not matter.

    Lacking the web, neut and higher dps of Ophichius's fit above seems a high price to pay for the Cap subsystem.
    Now I have a T2 gun. Ho, ho, ho.

    SHC '10 and proud.

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    Lost the Loki in honourable combat. I was using LG Snakes + Zor's and Loki links, roaming with my buddy in a Tengu.

    Notes:

    -You gotta play in the dangerzone to get scram, or even to apply decent damage with non-Barrage ammo.
    -The active tank sucks.
    -It's cheap, but won't be worth it after ASB nerf.

    I died rather early in the engagment. We killed a bait Cynabal, and a bunch of friends (2x Cane, Crow, another Cynabal) landed on him once he went down. I immediately started burning off with overheated MWD, but their gang (also using links, I suppose) was able to get a few neuts off on me, hurting my cap, and then the Cynabal was able to easily keep up and apply full DPS, while the Canes were also able to keep me comfortably in barrage range. Even with both ASB's overheated, I went down in a matter of seconds.

    I'm probably not ~using it right~ (ie. dumpstering scrub frigate gangs), but it doesn't strike me as a very good ship.

    In other news, I remained unjammed when a Rook appeared on-grid. ^_^

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    Im pretty sure its not supposed to be used as turret based tengu, nor is it meant to burn in and get scram on the primary, it is (well i would would fly it as such) a very good anti tackle ship, you just fly around 40km or more from the blob, doing little dps till the webbing frigates and the cynas/vagas with webs show up and start to be dangerous to you tengu buddy(s) and than your range control + turret dps mean that you will rip through frigates and heavy tackle very very quickly! Why a loki and not a normal 10mn cyna with 425? Cause the 100mn ab makes you able to fly around the blob and lol at incoming dps, also web/scram combo is nice!

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