I like that single plate setup.
I made some radical changes to my solo Loki, will post when I get home
I like that single plate setup.
I made some radical changes to my solo Loki, will post when I get home
Actually an '06.
EVE: OrangeAfroMan
Dust514: Andrelommech
WoT: NorthernNomad
MWO: Loren Ward
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Oops. Fixed. Wouldn't have happened if you hadOriginally Posted by Daneel Trevize
a gunan avatar.
Because I was messing around with an MWD fit instead of an AB. Decided on an AB at the last minute. Oops. Fixed.
I always have Guardians or a Archon ongrid but that's a good point, and one I explored.
Spoiler:
I figure anyone flying a 1b+ ship should have the brains to know if he should swap out the hards for membranes.
You mean A-type specifics? Yea. The EANMs are a bill a pop still. Medium T2 Trimarks are only 65m a pop.
If you don't give a fuck about DPS:
Spoiler:
If you do want a tiny bit of DPS, you can upgrade to T2 plates on your fit like so:
Spoiler:
Last edited by Cue1*; October 17 2012 at 07:30:58 AM.
Whats the logic in running Passive hards as opposed to Actives? I run C-Type actives as they are effective and can be overloaded.
Resists on a loki are very high, and there's also plenty of buffer when plated & trimarked. Thus logistics will basically always get you in time, and your tank will be one of the strongest (it's also decently small & fast). That combined with the fact it's often a tackler rather than just 1 more dps ship, you will be neuted, and without little & often cap delivery, active hardeners & any DC2 will be off and that is what will break you.
In fact, iirc a faction+ EANM is better resists than a DC2 (perhaps assuming not perfect links or with armour vs resists SS?), and well worth considering as a fully passive tank.
Watch one tank for ~3mins with cap bouncing about as well as armour.
Here is the aforementioned solo hunting fit:
[Loki, Loki - GHO MWD]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
10MN Microwarpdrive II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
411 | 473 DPS w/ RF EMP/Fusion/PP
71.3k EHP (60.2k / 6.09k / 5.03k)
1884 | 2677 m/s
7.18s align
Would post price but according to Pyfa 30km points are 1.25bil isk now -.-
Actually an '06.
EVE: OrangeAfroMan
Dust514: Andrelommech
WoT: NorthernNomad
MWO: Loren Ward
www.twitch.tv/oameve
haha ye it's minnie t5 cashout time and someone is taking the piss because noone runs krusual tribe missions anymore for the "cheap" RF points.
Ok, wtf, there is one RF point in Jita, and its 1.25 bil 0.o
Use ts then?
You mean Domination. ~160mil iirc. Or wait for RF to be reseeded.
I generally run TS on things that aren't T3/Arazu/Lachesis
Far more economical.
zombie Hydra's recent T3 favourite seems to have evolved since last encountered.
[Loki, Nindiil's Loki better?]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
Dread Guristas Warp Scrambler
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Hornet EC-300 x4
Warrior II x5
As per the second link below, they use 425s, nothing in the neut's high, and need fitting implants. This is ~75dps less after heat but fits and has the neut, plus slightly more resists, speed & agility.
Farm idiots every day.
Tengu seems to be plain 100mn AB HL version, not some weird ECM one or HAMs.
I'd rather run something like this, honestly:
[Loki, Loki - Doublemint]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Internal Force Field Array I
Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner
Dread Guristas Warp Scrambler
Caldari Navy Stasis Webifier
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
My only concern would be ECM, since you're trading the dissolution sequencer away for +1 mid. Losing one TE is no big deal since it's a brawling fit and the web easily makes up for the loss in tracking.
-O
I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those Thukkers, that way I wouldn't have to have any goddamn stupid useless conversations with anybody.
Failing the Voight-Kampff test, one tortoise at a time.
I'd say go DB scram, Fed web, but yeah not bad. IDK that they are using it as brawlers so much, more that the scrams keep stuff from getting in web range, the tengu can long-point & dps anything. 8km+ less falloff than their original dual TE & 425s version, but yes a web is v nice. Might even be able to go with a dps rig over the poly, just depends how vulnerable it is without the ECCM.
Could also do a smarty instead of the neut, CPU rig, get T2 DC, better scram.
Last edited by Daneel Trevize; November 6 2012 at 08:27:33 PM.
neuts fuck you over competely...
all it takes is a double med neut cane or even a bs with a heavy neut and you are toast.
at least use a med nos. with big ab web and scram you are good against frigs anyway
Id drop the web for a capbooster! For exactly the reasons lex posted!
Well what can I say, except ~elite pvpers~ apparently deal without, or have a basi/carrier buddy that never whores.
I would think a nos isn't that useful, the biggest neut threat's surely 1+ heavy on BSs or a Curse. Your nos won't be in range unless you really fucked up.
I just bought a Daneel/HYDRA 100MN Loki mashup and some LG Snakes. Will report back after the weekend. Additionally, I was trying to theorycraft a fit with the cap regen matrix, but you lose a lot of grid. Here's my effort:
[Loki, Recharge]
Internal Force Field Array I
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Federation Navy 100MN Afterburner
Dread Guristas Warp Scrambler
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
[empty high slot]
Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
With ASBs getting smaller charge storage space in a couple of weeks, T2 rigs seems a bit pricy if it wasn't rigged to begin with. Though I guess cost might not matter.
Lacking the web, neut and higher dps of Ophichius's fit above seems a high price to pay for the Cap subsystem.
Now I have a T2 gun. Ho, ho, ho.
SHC '10 and proud.
Lost the Loki in honourable combat. I was using LG Snakes + Zor's and Loki links, roaming with my buddy in a Tengu.
Notes:
-You gotta play in the dangerzone to get scram, or even to apply decent damage with non-Barrage ammo.
-The active tank sucks.
-It's cheap, but won't be worth it after ASB nerf.
I died rather early in the engagment. We killed a bait Cynabal, and a bunch of friends (2x Cane, Crow, another Cynabal) landed on him once he went down. I immediately started burning off with overheated MWD, but their gang (also using links, I suppose) was able to get a few neuts off on me, hurting my cap, and then the Cynabal was able to easily keep up and apply full DPS, while the Canes were also able to keep me comfortably in barrage range. Even with both ASB's overheated, I went down in a matter of seconds.
I'm probably not ~using it right~ (ie. dumpstering scrub frigate gangs), but it doesn't strike me as a very good ship.
In other news, I remained unjammed when a Rook appeared on-grid. ^_^
Im pretty sure its not supposed to be used as turret based tengu, nor is it meant to burn in and get scram on the primary, it is (well i would would fly it as such) a very good anti tackle ship, you just fly around 40km or more from the blob, doing little dps till the webbing frigates and the cynas/vagas with webs show up and start to be dangerous to you tengu buddy(s) and than your range control + turret dps mean that you will rip through frigates and heavy tackle very very quickly! Why a loki and not a normal 10mn cyna with 425? Cause the 100mn ab makes you able to fly around the blob and lol at incoming dps, also web/scram combo is nice!
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