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    I would say its a aHAC+ kind of fit, AB and okish tracking allows the original aHAC getting under BS guns, webs hold down enemy aHACs and drakes who try to sit at range. heated goes out to 59km. 4k Alpha with 20-30 of them will punch through most buffer before logi can get on them.

    As its mobility is based on the aHAC style AB they would be hard to disengage from, the web range bonus should help though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by StevieTopSiders View Post
    It's got a nice tank, low sig, and bonused webs, but for some reason, I'm kinda confused by it. What is it good against? You'll still get alpha'ed by Alpha Fleet and you'll be outranged by Drakes (although you have sexy kinetic resists) and tier 3's.

    Bring me to enlightenment pl0x.
    Probably the 0ccupational Hazzard refugees bringing their godawful ideas with them to NCdot and NCdot not being smart enough to know a bad fit/comp when they see one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Marram View Post
    I would say its a aHAC+ kind of fit, AB and okish tracking allows the original aHAC getting under BS guns, webs hold down enemy aHACs and drakes who try to sit at range. heated goes out to 59km. 4k Alpha with 20-30 of them will punch through most buffer before logi can get on them.

    As its mobility is based on the aHAC style AB they would be hard to disengage from, the web range bonus should help though.
    The tracking is fairly good, nothing cruiser-sized or larger can realistically sig-tank your guns and frigs just kinda *pop*pop*pop*pop* as fast as they cycle. The downside is that Claymore- and Vulture-boosted Huginns can comfortably perform outside of 20-30 Loki's blap-range (40-50km) and once you have 2 or 3 webs on you and the inevitable (unironic) Bellicose with 2 target painters, any kind of sig-tank is gone and you're eating Furies and 1400s for full damage.

    I'm sure it's fine for dumpstering really awful kitchen-sink fleets, but almost anything competent can dumpster kitchen-sink fleets and NCdot is looking for something to counter CFC MWDing Drakes + Alphafleet operating together and this... is not that counter. And even if things start off good, if the situation escalates, it's incredibly difficult to disengage and (since you're probably off the gate) burning back and de-aggroing is going to be painful at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mfume View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by StevieTopSiders View Post
    It's got a nice tank, low sig, and bonused webs, but for some reason, I'm kinda confused by it. What is it good against? You'll still get alpha'ed by Alpha Fleet and you'll be outranged by Drakes (although you have sexy kinetic resists) and tier 3's.

    Bring me to enlightenment pl0x.
    Probably the 0ccupational Hazzard refugees bringing their godawful ideas with them to NCdot and NCdot not being smart enough to know a bad fit/comp when they see one.
    It was good enough for triple A to adopt! :v

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    Yeah, I edited in some other stuff regarding the context of my dislike for plated alpha Lokis. In perfect EVE, where 30-50 on 30-50 was the norm, they'd be fine, but this isn't perfect EVE and comping a fleet that cost literally 10x as much as a Drake and 2x as much as a Maelstrom with no reliable means of extraction is a terrible idea.

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    [Loki, Cloki (Armor) 100mn AB]

    Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
    Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
    Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
    Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe
    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
    Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M

    Shadow Serpentis 100MN Afterburner
    Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
    Stasis Webifier II
    Stasis Webifier II
    Warp Disruptor II

    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Armor Explosive Hardener II
    Armor Kinetic Hardener II
    Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
    Gyrostabilizer II

    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I

    Will post stats in a jiffy.

    Dunno about mids maybe scram/eccm/10mn AB instead of dual web?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevieTopSiders View Post
    So I see NC. using Arty Lokis.

    [Loki, NC. Arty Loki]
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Damage Control II
    True Sansha Armor Explosive Hardener
    True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener
    True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

    10MN Afterburner II
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Tracking Computer II,Tracking Speed Script

    720mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet EMP M
    720mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet EMP M
    720mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet EMP M
    720mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet EMP M
    720mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet EMP M
    720mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet EMP M

    Medium Ancillary Current Router I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
    Loki Offensive - Turret Concurrence Registry
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


    It's got a nice tank, low sig, and bonused webs, but for some reason, I'm kinda confused by it. What is it good against? You'll still get alpha'ed by Alpha Fleet and you'll be outranged by Drakes (although you have sexy kinetic resists) and tier 3's.

    Bring me to enlightenment pl0x.
    The problem is they fall into the standard AHAC trap - slow as fuck, unable to maneuver or dictate range, and trying to fill too many roles at once(and those fits have terribru dps). I have a much better fit I'm gonna hold onto in the hope that I can get to use it sometime soonish before I go posting it around.

    Maelstroms/loltier3BC fleets are incredibly easy to counter, just you need to think a little more outside the box. At least theyre easy to counter via mechanics, what happens when you take on 1k random goon+pets pubbies and TiDi kicks up and things start breaking...well that's another story :S
    It's 2020. Get a grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Death ToU View Post
    Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
    T2 or gtfo!

    I'm also tempted to replace my tengu with one of these now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malaes View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Death ToU View Post
    Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
    T2 or gtfo!

    I'm also tempted to replace my tengu with one of these now.
    Doesnt fit, T2 Grav capacitors need 300 calibration.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Malaes View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Death ToU View Post
    Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
    T2 or gtfo!

    I'm also tempted to replace my tengu with one of these now.
    Yeah, I always post T2 unless fitting needs plus T1 rigs. Might pimp the tank a little also.

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    I wonder how the ancillary shield booster will work with a Loki...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Marram View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Malaes View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Death ToU View Post
    Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
    T2 or gtfo!

    I'm also tempted to replace my tengu with one of these now.
    Doesnt fit, T2 Grav capacitors need 300 calibration.
    Does fit T1 trimarks are only 50cal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Death ToU View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Marram View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Malaes View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Death ToU View Post
    Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
    T2 or gtfo!

    I'm also tempted to replace my tengu with one of these now.
    Doesnt fit, T2 Grav capacitors need 300 calibration.
    Does fit T1 trimarks are only 50cal
    So they are, same with CFDEs. nvm then .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Death ToU View Post
    [Loki, Cloki (Armor) 100mn AB]

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    Dunno about mids maybe scram/eccm/10mn AB instead of dual web?
    OK dude as you asked, I gave it a look over, and for something with cov ops cloak and bonused probes, I basically had the same fit but a better use for the spare PG, and an explo rig to bring that resist up to equal before heat. You can fit a Gist 750pg AB on there, gives another 150+m/s, I had some from when the B-types were ~40mil. That would still leave 55+pg for a regular AB too, though IDK you'd want/need that to sigtank stuff. OR you could spend the PG on a medium injector and 3xnavy 400s if you free some CPU via now-cheap meta4 webs, etc.

    There's no way to get more dps out of it while being cloaky & probey & armour. TBH as a bonused tackler but no long webs, I'd consider trading a web for a scram to hold multiple things/really dictate range against fast/dualprop/non-100mn things. ECCM would probably just annoy you as it won't be much more sensor strength, 2 webs would help you put 1 on ec- drones to try clear them off asap. All in all, consider a legion for this specific catching role, it must be very similar but a good chunk more EHP.

    Edit: Oh and PyFA says T2 trimarks are cheap now. Also LG 1-5 slaves. Loki really does ramp up the EHP with them due to the really high resists. Just remember, you have no hull.
    If only you weren't doing a cloaky/probing fit, it does so much more dps & EHP as a brawler.
    Actually iirc Phrank's was 100k+ ehp and bonused combats on his shield cloki, but just long point for tackle.
    Last edited by Daneel Trevize; May 23 2012 at 02:31:13 PM.

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    These can now compete with tengu's for being an awesome booster now:


    [Loki, 4 link + probe]
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor

    Command Processor I
    Command Processor I
    Command Processor I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
    [empty med slot]

    Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers II
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers II
    Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing II
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment II
    Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

    Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
    Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

    Loki Defensive - Warfare Processor
    Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
    Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
    Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
    Loki Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector

    + LG Jackals if you want to stay "unprobeable."

    No idea what to put in last midslot as I dont have enought for ECCM(nor is it needed).
    It's 2020. Get a grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordsServant View Post
    These can now compete with tengu's for being an awesome booster now:


    [Loki, 4 link + probe]
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor

    Command Processor I
    Command Processor I
    Command Processor I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
    [empty med slot]

    Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers II
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers II
    Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing II
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment II
    Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

    Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
    Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

    Loki Defensive - Warfare Processor
    Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
    Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
    Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
    Loki Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector

    + LG Jackals if you want to stay "unprobeable."

    No idea what to put in last midslot as I dont have enought for ECCM(nor is it needed).
    One of those lock breaker things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cillisia View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by LordsServant View Post
    These can now compete with tengu's for being an awesome booster now:


    [Loki, 4 link + probe]
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor

    Command Processor I
    Command Processor I
    Command Processor I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
    [empty med slot]

    Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers II
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers II
    Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing II
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment II
    Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

    Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
    Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

    Loki Defensive - Warfare Processor
    Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
    Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
    Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
    Loki Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector

    + LG Jackals if you want to stay "unprobeable."

    No idea what to put in last midslot as I dont have enought for ECCM(nor is it needed).
    One of those lock breaker things?
    BS only

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by cillisia View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by LordsServant View Post
    These can now compete with tengu's for being an awesome booster now:


    [Loki, 4 link + probe]
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor

    Command Processor I
    Command Processor I
    Command Processor I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
    [empty med slot]

    Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers II
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers II
    Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing II
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment II
    Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

    Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
    Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

    Loki Defensive - Warfare Processor
    Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
    Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
    Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
    Loki Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector

    + LG Jackals if you want to stay "unprobeable."

    No idea what to put in last midslot as I dont have enought for ECCM(nor is it needed).
    One of those lock breaker things?
    BS only
    Also requires 50 CPU - I only have like 7 left :P
    It's 2020. Get a grip.

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    Yeah there is nothing you can fit in there. Wish ccp made joke modules for cases like this. Like a whore house module

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    At some point it dawned on me that T3's make just as good of probers as covops, yet they can hold more utility and can warp through bubbles. With that in mind, I set out to build a T3 that could probe, cloak, warp through bubbles, dual prop(just for escape moments), and align faster than the Helios I currently have. Through the search, I discovered that I could add some DPS and tank for additional fun(mostly catching anom runners). Worth noting that the idea behind the fit is for probing, tank and DPS are secondary.

    [Loki, PCB]
    Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
    Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
    Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding

    4x 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II (EMP M)
    Expanded Probe Launcher II
    Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

    10MN MicroWarpdrive II
    Warp Disruptor II
    10MN Afterburner II
    Large Ancillary Shield Booster(/Large Shield Extender, unsure of which is better)
    Large Shield Extender II
    Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

    Gyrostabilizer II
    2x Nanofiber Internal Structure II

    2x Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I

    a laughable 202 DPS, but aligns in 4.6s and does 1.6km/s with the MWD on. The 220's would allow me to eat tackle if I was to get caught, that said, if I get caught I did something wrong. Ideas on LSE vs LASB or other things I could change?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cillisia View Post
    Yeah there is nothing you can fit in there. Wish ccp made joke modules for cases like this. Like a whore house module

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    Offlined A-type invuln?

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