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  1. #101
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    This is another place where FoF missiles despite being laughable actually allow you to put DPS out when you are jammed.


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    If it's any consolation that sort of fight is exactly what SD is for.

    I don't doubt that you were permajammed for 90%+ of the fight if you were the only guy he was trying to jam and he had even just one racial.

    Fuck the haters to be honest, giving 2 frigates who wouldn't have a prayer without that Falcon there a killmail is not honourable.

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    [Loki, Prozacxx's Loki]
    Imperial Navy Armor Explosive Hardener
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
    Damage Control II
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener

    Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner
    Dark Blood Warp Disruptor
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M

    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Projectile Burst Aerator II

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


    Warrior II x5
    Warrior II x5

    id carry ecm drones slight variation on proz's fit, dunno if those rigs are cheap enough to be worth it. but it gets another 60dps for 10k ehp

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    Quote Originally Posted by felix-arb View Post
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    [Loki, Prozacxx's Loki]
    Imperial Navy Armor Explosive Hardener
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
    Damage Control II
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener

    Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner
    Dark Blood Warp Disruptor
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M

    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Projectile Burst Aerator II

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


    Warrior II x5
    Warrior II x5


    id carry ecm drones slight variation on proz's fit, dunno if those rigs are cheap enough to be worth it. but it gets another 60dps for 10k ehp
    On a fit that costs around 1 bill in total I don't think the price difference between a trimark and a T2 projectile rig is really an issue.
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    Fleet/kite fit that'd love a winmater ganglink ship in fleet, and has an epic GTFO button. Could also go with 25% less speed for the agility SS.

    [Loki, 100mn mwd?!]
    Corpum A-Type Energized Reactive Membrane
    Corpum A-Type Energized Magnetic Membrane
    Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
    800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Dark Blood Reactor Control Unit
    Dark Blood Reactor Control Unit

    Republic Fleet 100MN MicroWarpdrive
    Dark Blood Stasis Webifier
    Dark Blood Stasis Webifier
    Domination Warp Disruptor

    650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    Republic Fleet 650mm Artillery, Republic Fleet EMP M

    Medium Ancillary Current Router I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
    Loki Offensive - Turret Concurrence Registry
    Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization



    Being as you may need a few cycles to get up to speed but don't have the cap capacity for any more:

    [Loki, 100mn mwd?! with cap booster]
    Corpum A-Type Energized Reactive Membrane
    Corpum A-Type Energized Magnetic Membrane
    Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
    800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Dark Blood Reactor Control Unit
    Reactor Control Unit II

    Republic Fleet 100MN MicroWarpdrive
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Domination Warp Disruptor
    Small 'Siesta' Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400

    650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    Republic Fleet 650mm Artillery, Republic Fleet EMP M
    650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    Republic Fleet 650mm Artillery, Republic Fleet EMP M
    650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M

    Medium Ancillary Current Router I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
    Loki Offensive - Turret Concurrence Registry
    Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization



    Or rather niche:

    [Loki, 100mn mwd?! with cap booster and ACs]
    Imperial Navy Armor Explosive Hardener
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
    800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Imperial Navy Armor Kinetic Hardener

    Shadow Serpentis 100MN MicroWarpdrive
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Domination Warp Disruptor
    Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M

    Medium Ancillary Current Router I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization


    Warrior II x5
    Warrior II x5


    Does >8.1k/s with snakes & zor's before ganglinks, run down frigs erryday?

    Got mates to shoot small stuff? Could trade the TEs for another EANM and DC2 to have 85-97% resists and 86k buffer (247k vs EM damage, before slaves/ganglinks), if you need something to race out & tackle under logi range support.
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    Think the last two fit's might run out of cap before they can reach top speed

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    The ones with cap boosters? And logi/capital cap transfer about? Also, how far will they go before hitting top speed, aka who mwds constantly?

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    Some similar to these have prolly already been posted but these are the fits I run:

    For armor CTA's I run this:

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    [Loki, New Setup 1]
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
    Shadow Serpentis Armor Explosive Hardener
    Shadow Serpentis Armor Kinetic Hardener
    Damage Control II

    10MN Afterburner II
    Shadow Serpentis Warp Disruptor
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M

    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
    Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization

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    Fairly standard nothing overly special about it.

    And I'm looking to buy one of these:

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    [Loki, Small Gang]
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Damage Control II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II

    Large Shield Extender II
    Large Shield Extender II
    10MN MicroWarpdrive II
    Shadow Serpentis Warp Disruptor
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    Medium Energy Neutralizer II

    Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization


    Hornet EC-300 x5
    Warrior II x5

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    Mostly just for a change from vagas/hurricanes.

    Also saw someone running this as a 100mn fit:

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    [Loki, Active 100mn Loki]
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Damage Control II

    Gist B-Type Large Shield Booster
    Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner
    Domination Warp Scrambler
    Medium 'Gattotte' Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
    Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field

    Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    Dark Blood Medium Energy Neutralizer

    Medium Core Defence Capacitor Safeguard II
    Medium Core Defence Operational Solidifier II
    Medium Core Defence Operational Solidifier II

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
    Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
    Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


    Hornet EC-300 x1
    Hornet EC-300 x1
    Hornet EC-300 x1
    Hornet EC-300 x1
    Hornet EC-300 x1
    Warrior II x5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daco Cutter View Post
    [Loki, New Setup 1]
    10MN Afterburner II
    Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization

    [Loki, Active 100mn Loki]
    Medium 'Gattotte' Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
    Surely Fuel Cat SS for use with fleet AB fit as it's more agile and slightly better speed, and T2 medium cap booster is all round better & fits for that 100mn ab fit.
    Hang on, for the price of that active loki and that all it does better is have the 100mn ab, why not just pimp a few sleipnirs/claymores? That fit's surely into the billions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    Surely Fuel Cat SS for use with fleet AB fit as it's more agile and slightly better speed,...........
    Sorry I run it with an MWD, not sure why the AB is on there. Also the fuel cat gives me 5more m/s so not really that important.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    and T2 medium cap booster is all round better & fits for that 100mn ab fit.
    Hang on, for the price of that active loki and that all it does better is have the 100mn ab, why not just pimp a few sleipnirs/claymores? That fit's surely into the billions.
    Also I didn't come up with that fit I know someone who uses it, and why not fly something worth billions for the fun of it if you can afford it?

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    I'm all for the having fun in the ship you like, but because as best I could tell the only things it does better are 100mn ab and be called a loki and so get more people have a go at you, I'd probably favour burning many command ships? P sure the sleip can do the same tank, better falloff etc for far less, easily so if you reuse 1 set of crystals, so it really didn't seem to be worth it. Not even got the eccm subsystem unlike tengu & legion fits, and it's minmatar sensor strength to start with.

    The bigger bonus of the ab ss on that fleet fit is the agility, what with having 2 1600 plates.

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    Just out of curiosity, is there some reason nobody seems to use the Hardpoint Efficiency sub on those armor brickfits? Not giving up lows for damage mods, it seems to net more dps with similar/better projection.

    Not optimized(EFT warriored), but something I tweaked up from some random armor fit I had saved:

    [Loki, armor-HPE]
    Damage Control II
    Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
    Imperial Navy Armor Kinetic Hardener
    Armor Explosive Hardener II
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
    Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile

    Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
    Loki Offensive - Hardpoint Efficiency Configuration
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


    Hornet EC-300 x5
    Hammerhead II x3
    Warrior II x3
    Warrior II x2

    476/535 dps with 3x hammer and 2x warrior, 197,114k ehp. Compared to the scoped 220 fit I based it on(probably found in this thread), it's same ehp at the cost of some 10 million iskies for a faction hardener, and gains 50 dps+ with argueably superior ham and drone damage projection.
    I consider myself to be a sovereign space holding entity, however the simple fact is that my sphere of influence rarely if ever extends beyond the optimal+falloff*2 of my ship's turrets.

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    [Loki, Garmon's Loki]
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Damage Control II
    Tracking Enhancer II

    Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster
    Shadow Serpentis 100MN Afterburner
    Dark Blood Warp Scrambler
    Medium Capacitor Booster II,Navy Cap Booster 800
    Invulnerability Field II

    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP M
    Expanded Probe Launcher I,Sisters Combat Scanner Probe

    Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
    Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
    Medium Projectile Burst Aerator II

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
    Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
    Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

    Hornet EC-300 x1
    Hornet EC-300 x1
    Hornet EC-300 x1
    Hornet EC-300 x1
    Hornet EC-300 x1
    Warrior II x1
    Warrior II x1
    Warrior II x1
    Warrior II x1
    Warrior II x1

    DPS 634/727
    TANK 438/620
    ABing align time 29.3s 1743/2496

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiroi Okami View Post
    [Loki, FUcking Bo55]
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Large Shield Extender II
    Large Shield Extender II

    Dread Guristas Cloaking Device
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M

    Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding


    Warrior II x5
    Hobgoblin II x5

    Came up with this fit long long time ago, shortly after T3s came down in price and I could actually afford one. Best shit ever. First one I built got 99 kills (mostly solo 0.0) before it finally kicked the bucket. Second one is on 40 or so kills iirc. Should really use it more.

    - 50k EHP
    - 550 DPS
    - 1900ms
    - Completely cap stable (This is the kicker, you can kite every man and their mother forever, which with a long range web is fucking awesome)

    Also have an armour loki fit but I won't post that till I inevitably lose it
    i dunno if someone said this in the rest of the thread but if you add an invul it's still cap stable and you can fit 4 425mm's and 1 220.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anzoxe View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Shiroi Okami View Post
    [Loki, FUcking Bo55]
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Large Shield Extender II
    Large Shield Extender II

    Dread Guristas Cloaking Device
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M

    Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding


    Warrior II x5
    Hobgoblin II x5

    Came up with this fit long long time ago, shortly after T3s came down in price and I could actually afford one. Best shit ever. First one I built got 99 kills (mostly solo 0.0) before it finally kicked the bucket. Second one is on 40 or so kills iirc. Should really use it more.

    - 50k EHP
    - 550 DPS
    - 1900ms
    - Completely cap stable (This is the kicker, you can kite every man and their mother forever, which with a long range web is fucking awesome)

    Also have an armour loki fit but I won't post that till I inevitably lose it
    i dunno if someone said this in the rest of the thread but if you add an invul it's still cap stable and you can fit 4 425mm's and 1 220.
    Seems like you may need that buffer and resists are pretty good cause of winmatar

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    To Fail or Not to Fail? - Cloaky Loki

    [Loki, Cloaky Armor Loki]

    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
    Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter

    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
    Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
    True Sansha Warp Scrambler
    Federation Navy 100MN Afterburner

    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
    Centus B-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
    Centus B-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener

    Medium Projectile Burst Aerator II
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

    Stats include my low-grade slaves, zet5k, cx-2, mx-2.
    () = O/H
    Resist Profile
    94.6 // 82.5 // 82.8 (87.8) // 79.3 (85.4)
    125kEHP (151)
    RFF Ammo - 449DPS (516)
    1527m/s (2182)

    Just about to finish all my subs to V and looking at using something like this for Low sec targets of opportunity.
    The 100MN AB is GTFO should I see a situation going awry, the cap booster to give me that facility under neuts, and to make sure hardeners don't go off.

    Looking at around 1B for the setup, can anyone see any massive issues?

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    Well first, in low sec, having a web that goes well beyond your point means that you may warp more targets away than pin down.

    Are we talking about solo or gang? A cloaky proteus buddy would make for a better situation overall because he can point, you can web, and you'll marginally better dps between the two of you. It'll also mean that people will try to bait and trap you, especially with such shinies.

    Lastly, the market for this fit is well well above a billion isk I believe. Prolly closer to 1.25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudolf Miller View Post
    Well first, in low sec, having a web that goes well beyond your point means that you may warp more targets away than pin down.

    Are we talking about solo or gang? A cloaky proteus buddy would make for a better situation overall because he can point, you can web, and you'll marginally better dps between the two of you. It'll also mean that people will try to bait and trap you, especially with such shinies.

    Lastly, the market for this fit is well well above a billion isk I believe. Prolly closer to 1.25.
    You're also amazingly slow by comparison to other cloakie fits. A 100mn fit usually works best off of it's ability to kite and GTFO, but with a scram you're fighting really close. If you're working pairs with a proteus, drop the scram for another web, let the proteus do the pointing. If you're working solo, then you're really only killing ratters anyway, so a shield fit with an MWD works better. Same EHP, faster, fits a neut, and more DPS. Oh, and cheaper too.

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    With the dps rig swapped for a PG one, you get fractionally more dps, volley, range from mixed larger guns, and can put a gist AB on it, giving you 10-15% more speed before heat.
    Also, go 3xnavy 400 boosters in a T2 medium injector on a buffer fit.
    If you don't need the 3pt scram, you can shave a few isk off with the same ranged 2pt one.
    T2 medium trimarks aren't much, they'll perhaps add more than the 70mil per gyro. Also not sure the B-types are worth the diff over C-types, you'll be heating them if you really want more resist there. Also there's A-type passive hardeners for ~60mil iirc. Better than t2/faction hardeners, but can't be heated but don't need cap. AB speed & sig will be your common kinetic damage tank.
    You could even go with a small injector and navy 400s. Then 3 armour rigs (1 explo?).
    The mismatched web range only really serves to help you keep other bonused web range ships at bay, and only 1, maybe. Remember you have 13 sensor strength without the eccm subsystem.
    Last edited by Daneel Trevize; April 26 2012 at 04:37:22 PM.

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    So I see NC. using Arty Lokis.

    [Loki, NC. Arty Loki]
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Damage Control II
    True Sansha Armor Explosive Hardener
    True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener
    True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

    10MN Afterburner II
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Tracking Computer II,Tracking Speed Script

    720mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet EMP M
    720mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet EMP M
    720mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet EMP M
    720mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet EMP M
    720mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet EMP M
    720mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet EMP M

    Medium Ancillary Current Router I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
    Loki Offensive - Turret Concurrence Registry
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


    It's got a nice tank, low sig, and bonused webs, but for some reason, I'm kinda confused by it. What is it good against? You'll still get alpha'ed by Alpha Fleet and you'll be outranged by Drakes (although you have sexy kinetic resists) and tier 3's.

    Bring me to enlightenment pl0x.

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