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    Re: Loki

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    [Loki, SFI edition]
    Medium Armor Repairer II
    Medium Armor Repairer II
    Armor Explosive Hardener II
    Armor Kinetic Hardener II
    Damage Control II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    
    10MN Afterburner II
    10MN MicroWarpdrive II
    Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
    Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
    
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    
    Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I
    Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I
    Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
    
    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
    Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
    
    
    Warrior II x5
    Hornet EC-300 x5
    Requires 2% pg implant or downgrade 1 gun, faction/pimp where applicable. Heavily inspired by Podcats SFI fit.

    Tanks 439 before heat.
    Deals 540 dps before heat, at 19km falloff with RF EMP
    714 (958 OH) m/s with AB, 1432 (2035 OH) m/s with MWD.
    Cap stable with AB on as long as charges last.

    Was wondering about the propulsion subsystem. You can fit the chassis optimisation for much more MWD speed but slightly lower AB speed.

    Rigs to taste. You can use 2x aux nano pumps and an accelerator for a much bigger tank, but at the cost of speed and dps. You can also drop the aux nano pump for a polycarb engine housing, getting ~800 m/s on the AB and knocking a bit off your align time. Usually using speed rigs on armor tank is dumb, but the faster you go, the less damage you take, and the easier it is to rep (repper is unaffected by armor penalty).

    Anyway, compared to the SFI:
    It deals more dps, more of that is turret dps, and at longer range, but lower tracking.
    Depending on rigs, is either slightly slower or slightly faster (aux nano vs polycarb), but is slightly less agile regardless.
    Has a bigger cap reserve/recharge but can carry much fewer charges (~100 m3 less than the SFI).
    Even with a polycarb rig it tanks more and has better buffer and resists overall (~double the EHP).
    Is less prone to ECM (~30 sensor strength vs 16).

    Thoughts?
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    Re: Loki

    I'd drop the Ambit for a Metastasis or rep rig. SFI fit is meant to orbit AB on at as short a distance as possible, negating damage through sig radius and transversal. Otherwise it looks pretty good, but expensive.

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    Re: Loki

    Wishing for

    1) 5th mid for a web
    2) Amplification node sub actually having decent defensive stats other than sig.
    3) Projectile scoping array not looking like total ass.
    4) Having to choose between the faster aligning fuel catalyst sub and the overall faster chassis opt sub.

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    Re: Loki

    EFT warrioring the SFI Loki, I found the first instance of a usage for the Hardpoint Efficiency Sub. You won't get as much turret/missle DPS, but you do get an 80m^3 bay 40 bandwidtch. I also did Chassis Optimazion sub because the MWD speed increase is magnitudes better than the AB speed increase with the Fuel Catalyst Sub. This is what I ended up with, nothing great, still a really expensive SFI. Faction to taste, I normally roll with a faction scram non-frig web/scram fits. 5th mid for web which greatly increases survivability imo.

    [Loki, Active Armor/Dual Prop/DualDmg]
    Damage Control II
    Medium Armor Repairer II
    Medium Armor Repairer II
    Armor Kinetic Hardener II
    Armor Explosive Hardener II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    10MN Afterburner II
    Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
    Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler
    Stasis Webifier II

    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile

    Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I
    Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
    Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
    Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
    Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
    Loki Offensive - Hardpoint Efficiency Configuration
    Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization


    Hammerhead II x3
    Hobgoblin II x2
    Warrior II x5
    Hobgoblin II x1
    Hammerhead II x1

    461/512 DPS, 1611/2290 m/s MWD, 620/804 m/s AB, Tanks 517/783 DPS with all lows overheated.

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    Re: Loki

    With just a single bonus on either, isnt 4missile 2turret better dps? And missile rig of course. Not on eft atm but I remember something like this
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    Re: Loki

    Just checked, you get 2 more dps from 4 x HAML / 2 x 220mm if you switch the gun rig to HAML ROF rig.
    2 dps doesn't sound like a lot, but it's much more "real" dps considering missiles always hit (and you get better range too). You have to downgrade web to best named because missile rig costs cpu, other than that it is the same fit.
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    Re: Loki

    [Loki, stabber fleet?]
    Imperial Navy Medium Armor Repairer
    Imperial Navy Medium Armor Repairer
    Damage Control II
    Armor Kinetic Hardener II
    Armor Explosive Hardener II
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

    10MN Afterburner II
    Imperial Navy Medium Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    True Sansha Warp Scrambler
    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive

    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M

    Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
    Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
    Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
    Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
    Loki Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector


    Warrior II x5
    Hornet EC-300 x5


    more expensive version than the one already posted.

    614/895 tank, 456/512 dps

    add in boosters and drugs to taste

    i would prob drop the dc for another gyro (hits 600 dps with heat and you dont lose that much tank or ehp) - you can de-faction some of it but will have grid issues with t2 reps

    if you want to use less boosters (awful cargohold) you could switch to the cap regen eng sub and fit a t2 anciliary (gives less grid).
    same deal for switching to amp node sub - less tank but obviously nice sig

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    Re: Loki

    [Loki, FUcking Bo55]
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Large Shield Extender II
    Large Shield Extender II

    Dread Guristas Cloaking Device
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M

    Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding


    Warrior II x5
    Hobgoblin II x5

    Came up with this fit long long time ago, shortly after T3s came down in price and I could actually afford one. Best shit ever. First one I built got 99 kills (mostly solo 0.0) before it finally kicked the bucket. Second one is on 40 or so kills iirc. Should really use it more.

    - 50k EHP
    - 550 DPS
    - 1900ms
    - Completely cap stable (This is the kicker, you can kite every man and their mother forever, which with a long range web is fucking awesome)

    Also have an armour loki fit but I won't post that till I inevitably lose it
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    Re: Loki

    Post-Incarna T3 link ideas for when no POS.

    [Loki, I didn't want to be unprobable anyway edition - 3 links]
    Caldari Navy Co-Processor
    Caldari Navy Co-Processor
    Caldari Navy Co-Processor

    Command Processor I
    Command Processor I
    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Large Shield Extender II
    ECM Burst II
    Enfeebling Phase Inversion ECM I

    Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment
    [empty high slot]
    Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe I

    Medium Ancillary Current Router I
    Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II
    Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II

    Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
    Loki Defensive - Warfare Processor
    Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
    Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer

    1812 m/s gives some time to warped to a pre-aligned safe when probed. Faster configs there without the interdiction nullifer. Cap-stable with the ECM off.

    [Loki, I didn't want to be unprobable anyway edition - 4 links]
    Caldari Navy Co-Processor
    Caldari Navy Co-Processor
    Caldari Navy Co-Processor
    Caldari Navy Co-Processor

    [empty med slot]
    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    [empty med slot]
    Command Processor I
    Command Processor I
    Command Processor I

    Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment
    Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing
    Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe I

    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
    Medium Ancillary Current Router I
    Medium Ancillary Current Router I

    Loki Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers
    Loki Defensive - Warfare Processor
    Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
    Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer

    Cap-stable interdiction nullifer config works too but perhaps without the probe launcher unless using a cap implant IIRC.
    Now I have a T2 gun. Ho, ho, ho.

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    Re: Loki

    i'm curious about the viability of running an alt on a command t3, considering they effectively need to be in a safe or pos when running more than one link due to zero tank, and not paying full attention to it, being an alt, might get it tackled. i suppose the fast burning aligned route is best if you're going to do t3 though.

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    Re: Loki

    Turns out unprobable nerf didn't really nerf a whole lot. Unprobable ships still not probable with all 4's, so effectively no change.

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    Re: Loki

    Don't most people use 5 probes minimum?
    Now I have a T2 gun. Ho, ho, ho.

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    Re: Loki

    He's probably talking about skills.
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    Re: Loki

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    Re: Loki

    Quote Originally Posted by Shiroi Okami
    [Loki, FUcking Bo55]
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Large Shield Extender II
    Large Shield Extender II

    Dread Guristas Cloaking Device
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M

    Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding


    Warrior II x5
    Hobgoblin II x5

    Came up with this fit long long time ago, shortly after T3s came down in price and I could actually afford one. Best shit ever. First one I built got 99 kills (mostly solo 0.0) before it finally kicked the bucket. Second one is on 40 or so kills iirc. Should really use it more.

    - 50k EHP
    - 550 DPS
    - 1900ms
    - Completely cap stable (This is the kicker, you can kite every man and their mother forever, which with a long range web is fucking awesome)

    Also have an armour loki fit but I won't post that till I inevitably lose it
    This is pretty much what I'm running but have a T2 polycarb in place of the nozzle joints and use an invuln instead of a second LSE as it's still cap stable and you can benefit from the lengthy overheating if needed.

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    Re: Loki

    Quote Originally Posted by smagd
    He's probably talking about skills.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dwergi
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    Hehe - ok
    Now I have a T2 gun. Ho, ho, ho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacefalm View Post

    Wrote some shit about SFI wannabe loki
    You and a few others started theorycrafting a 'better more pimped' dual rep SFI.

    I think the fundamental thing you guys are missing is the tracking bonus of the SFI + the ab tight orbit to get UNDER 220's + 425's tracking! Then i see you guys posting fits with no tracking enhancing shit, 425s and expect to pilot it like a sfi?

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    Haven't seen a nice active shield tanked loki fit yet.


    [Loki, active tanked vagabond]
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Damage Control II
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

    Dark Blood Medium Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
    Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster
    True Sansha Warp Disruptor
    Invulnerability Field II
    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Gist B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier

    Medium Energy Neutralizer II
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M

    Medium Ancillary Current Router I
    Medium Ancillary Current Router II
    Medium Projectile Ambit Extension II

    Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
    Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization


    Warrior II x5
    Hornet EC-300 x5

    Just got this the other day, can't wait to fly it. Basically just fly it like you do a vaga, but you get to stay on field longer Considering a kin harder vs invul, but that may just be too much meta gaming, i'll fly it a bit n find out.

    1.88 km/s 10.5sec align w/ mwd.
    517 dps RF 1.2+25
    428 dps Barrage 2.4+38
    554 dps tank (656 standard blue pill)(906 pill + overheat)

    Cap is rather good, pulsing mwd ur tank is stable with 800s, you dont need boosters to perma run mwd without shield tanking. Severe ecm weakness, keep that in mind!
    Overall cost is about 900mil, as cheap as i could get it without skimping on vital things. Enjoy

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    Sadly, the active shield tank is something the loki can't really do better than the sleipnir. Not calling the fit bad, just saying it could be done better for less. I will give you though that it has some advantages.. like cap life, sig, top speed. But compared to the cost benefit analysis is it really worth it?

    Also, get some damn crystals. Even low grades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lazydane View Post
    You and a few others started theorycrafting a 'better more pimped' dual rep SFI.

    I think the fundamental thing you guys are missing is the tracking bonus of the SFI + the ab tight orbit to get UNDER 220's + 425's tracking! Then i see you guys posting fits with no tracking enhancing shit, 425s and expect to pilot it like a sfi?
    Just because the fit is based on the SFI fit doesnt mean you have to fly it exactly like a SFI. It's a different ship after all.
    Also I ran some dps graphs, vs a standard shield cane. At the maximum possible transversal velocity (with AB on), the SFI does outperform this yes, but the largest part of that difference is the mixed flight med/light drones, and at lower transversals this difference becomes much smaller. The Loki outperforms from 3k onwards in the worst case scenario, and much sooner if it's not the worst case. For completeness's sake I compared a dramiel target as well, and it's basically the same story. The SFI wins at very high transversals because of drones, and at transversals where either the SFI or Loki guns actually hit something, the difference is small enough that the other advantages of the fit (range, tank) outweigh it imho. I'm not saying that this is a direct upgrade from the SFI in every possible way, just that it might use approx the same fit and be effective as well.
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