[PVP] Loki

[Omen Nihilo]

[Loki, PvP, Plate+Rep, 220s, 100mn]

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M

Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Corpus A-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
Corpus A-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

[depili]

[Loki, Unprobable - 3 links (null)]
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Command Processor I
Command Processor I
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment
Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers
Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers
[empty high slot]
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I

Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
Loki Defensive - Warfare Processor
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer

Why would one choose core probes in the link-ship over the sensor str sub (dissolution sequencer)? Also wouldn't low friction nozzle rigs be better, as in most cases only align time matters (as you want to GTFO to a safe before anyone decloaks you)?


[Loki, link loki]
Warded Ladar Backup Cluster I
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II

Command Processor I
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
Command Processor I
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive

Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers
Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers
Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I

Loki Defensive - Warfare Processor
Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix

[lazydane]

Haven't seen a web shield fit yet.

[Loki, Vuginn]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Large Shield Extender II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Small Energy Neutralizer II
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M

Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II

Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers


Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

This is a fit my corpmates theory crafted, and we have had great results with in 0.0 small gangs. Its like a vagabond/huginn hybrid, that we throw on to PODLA inspired vaga+drake fleets in small gangs.
It's nice not having to sacrifice dps to bring a rapier/huginn along. It is rather sexy when we fly together with a link drake with web/point link.

+good dps, fast, webs
-crappy sensor strength, not as fast as vaga, not as webby as recons

Originally flew it with a polycarb + extra nano, but opted for the 2nd te+extra shield rig when I'm flying beside a vaga.
Also, you can downgrade to 3x 220mm 3x 425mm to fit a med neut, which i think i would if its like under 3-4 pilots

[Death ToU]

This is a similar fit to above but I like the large tanks T3 can put out for their size.

[Loki, Lopier]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix


Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

This fit has around 80 less DPS, but 26k EHP more. Even if you drop the DC to nano still has 12k EHP more. And is also cap stable with MWD, web, point and invul running so can survive a certain amount of neuting, but you shouldn't be that close anyway.

Just for those that want a little more survivability.

[Talinthi]

Why would one choose core probes in the link-ship over the sensor str sub (dissolution sequencer)? Also wouldn't low friction nozzle rigs be better, as in most cases only align time matters (as you want to GTFO to a safe before anyone decloaks you)?

Because it doesn't need the dissolution sequencer if fitted properly and having a ship with a bonused EXPANDED probe launcher is beyond useful, I don't have access to my fit presently, but as i stole it from cant remember where I have no problem posting it when I get a chance. The core probe launcher on a non pointing pew ship is pretty useless truthfully. I only use a core launcher on my scouting dram for sov space.

[Talinthi]

Well after taking the time to throw them into eft the dissolution sequencer also takes away one of the much needed mid slots in exchange for a low.

[Loki, gang boost x3]
Dread Guristas Co-Processor
Dread Guristas Co-Processor
Warded Ladar Backup Cluster I

Command Processor I
Command Processor I
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I

Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers
Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers
Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]

Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade II

Loki Defensive - Warfare Processor
Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix

^^ my present fit, requires a kmb50 to fit and ofc the appropriate mindlink. 107 sens to 93 sig with boosts running 107 sens to 106 sig without boosts so should be unprobable with or without gangmates in system. I primarily use this in wh presently but its also just as effective in k-space high/low/null.

[Loki, gang boost x4]
Dread Guristas Co-Processor
Dread Guristas Co-Processor
Dread Guristas Co-Processor
Dread Guristas Co-Processor

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Command Processor I
Command Processor I
Command Processor I
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I

Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers
Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers
Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment
Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe I

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I

Loki Defensive - Warfare Processor
Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Loki Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers
Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector

^^ requires kmb75 and i haven't actually used the fit. to make the above fit MOSTLY unprobeable you need to use jackal implants and the fit isn't nullified(as dickish as the nullifier is this ship has no tank and costs a few hundred mil) ccc is for cap stability you dont want your gang links turning off due to you running out of cap as you need to use the less cap stable sub for better pwgd.

sens:
lg jackal 1-5: 79.1 (best cost per effect)
hg jackal 1-5: 81.8
base: 61.1

sig: 93.4

I'm personally not sure at what exact ratio the fit becomes truly unprobeable.

[Pacefalm]

I'm personally not sure at what exact ratio the fit becomes truly unprobeable.

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=384

Sig radius divided by Sensor strength must be <1.08

[Dodgy Past]

[Loki, Vaga Rapier]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Tracking Enhancer II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Domination 10MN MicroWarpdrive
Domination Warp Disruptor
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
True Sansha Medium Energy Neutralizer

Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II

Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers


Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

I'm looking forward to flying this at some point soonish.

[Talinthi]

[Loki, Vaga Rapier]

I'm looking forward to flying this at some point soonish.

Stay away from lokis(or other web ships) and curses and you should do fine though I think you might want some more mids for tank as the Loki is substantially slower and less agile than the vaga. Also the faction neut is pretty pointless might as well just get an unstable it'll cost you a hell of a lot less as the faction mediums barely give you 1km extra range. I personally fly an armor Loki for the dual web awesomeness it provides.

[Dodgy Past]

Already got a faction neut lying around so may still use it, but I see your point.

I'd fly it pretty much like a Vaga, just using the web for utility. It's only slightly slower ( 2483 vs 2862 ) and less agile ( 5 vs. 4.6 ), and I've only lost 1 vaga for over 200 kills. 6m of cap vs. 1m 25 with mwd and w/out neut does mean you can motor a lot more.

[Astro]

IMO you pretty much need the Interdiction Nullfier for a T3 command ship. If you're warping around worrying about bubbles you're a. not going to be able to devote as much attention to piloting your main and b. going to to get caught eventually.

So...

[Loki, Command]
Dread Guristas Co-Processor
Dread Guristas Co-Processor
Dread Guristas Co-Processor
Co-Processor II

Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
Command Processor I
Command Processor I
Command Processor I
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I

Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers
Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers
Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment
Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]

Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I

Loki Defensive - Warfare Processor
Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier

You can drop the current router rig if you use a +3% PG implant. Unprobable if you're getting bonuses.

[Talinthi]

IMO you pretty much need the Interdiction Nullfier for a T3 command ship. If you're warping around worrying about bubbles you're a. not going to be able to devote as much attention to piloting your main and b. going to to get caught eventually.

So...

[Loki, Command]

You can drop the current router rig if you use a +3% PG implant. Unprobable if you're getting bonuses.

you get better grid and more than enough cap from a ccc and the heating sub though thats just preference i guess but better to have enough cap and a heating bonus than just enough cap no?? also I would try to spare the cpu to fit an expanded probe launcher as your unprobeable alt could become even more useful if used properly to squad/wing warp to folks at bounce spots on gates. I've seen podla use these tactics several times. personally i prefer the 3 link booster as it can easilly field the bonused probe launcher while remaining nullified and all.

edit: does anyone have the exact formula or ratio where a ship becomes impossible to probe out??

[Pacefalm]

edit: does anyone have the exact formula or ratio where a ship becomes impossible to probe out??

I'm personally not sure at what exact ratio the fit becomes truly unprobeable.

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=384

Sig radius divided by Sensor strength must be <1.08

[Astro]

IMO you pretty much need the Interdiction Nullfier for a T3 command ship. If you're warping around worrying about bubbles you're a. not going to be able to devote as much attention to piloting your main and b. going to to get caught eventually.

So...

[Loki, Command]

You can drop the current router rig if you use a +3% PG implant. Unprobable if you're getting bonuses.

you get better grid and more than enough cap from a ccc and the heating sub though thats just preference i guess but better to have enough cap and a heating bonus than just enough cap no?? also I would try to spare the cpu to fit an expanded probe launcher as your unprobeable alt could become even more useful if used properly to squad/wing warp to folks at bounce spots on gates. I've seen podla use these tactics several times. personally i prefer the 3 link booster as it can easilly field the bonused probe launcher while remaining nullified and all.

edit: does anyone have the exact formula or ratio where a ship becomes impossible to probe out??

Yeah, if that subsystem works then why not. It's basically either 4 links and no probe launcher or 3 links with probe launcher, take your pick.

Another guy in my corp likes the 3 link probe launcher fit and it works great.

[Daneel Trevize]

[Loki, MINE shield?! 2 2]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Tracking Enhancer II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Dark Blood Warp Disruptor

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization


Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5


Replacing the TE with a PDS will give the pg for a full rack of 220s, but it doesnt need the cap and doesn't benefit much from the EHP, so I'm thinking TE and mixed gun is better? 28km point is so you're still pointing things if you overheat it and the webs.

[Lex Fasces]

[Loki, MINE shield?! 2 2]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Warp Disruptor II

425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I

Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization


Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

tempted to try this out

[Daneel Trevize]

Slower, less agile, ~10%less EHP, random non-meta4/t2 60% webs when there's no CPU issues. All for ~15more dps and 9km falloff. Worth it? I don't know, I lack the experience.

[Pacefalm]

You know you couldve just said "hey t2 webs fit too"

That said id probably ditch the poly rig and a TE for a nano like your fit. 425mms have pretty good falloff to begin with and transversal is a nonissue vs dualwebbed targets. The rig slot can be projectitle turret rig if it fits, otherwise cdfe/t2 resists.

I dont really like the small neut either. Usually neuts are for anti tackle but you have your webs for that, and anything else is either too far for the neut, or doesnt even feel the small one. Perhaps put offlined repper for the drones and upgrade another gun? Dont have eft on hand but i think that fits.

One problem i see with both fits is that they dont really look like they can handle missile boats well. Drone/gun boats should be easier due to superior range control, but a :loldraek: will just blast you I think

[Daneel Trevize]

At least it can run right? I mean, what's a fast missile boat with good tackle that I might be forgetting?

I stated the differences because I want to know if people have experienced that such trade offs are worth it. Yeah the webs I couldn't see any reason other than juggling for a mod that got swapped last minute before posting.

[Smuggo]

Small neut is pointless. Cloak is handy for soloing and is what I use in my utility high. Go with faction webs too, it's very much worth it to be able to web something past overheated point range.