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    It's weird.
    All this talk of Rotating, resting, etc.
    But Anderson/Broad play, and the rest of the contry get to rotate through a few spots.

    Sure, ok - the england selectors early on in CV-19 decided that players are more important than victories and deeepening the squad is good, but some of these dudes cant play, and as you rightly say, Woakes can. Both with the Bat and Ball.

    Has Anderson taken a wicket this test series ? That's a harsh question as he's been economical, but has he ?
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    I think he took a couple in the first test. He's been economical but he's also bowled maidens at important times in his spell. England don't seem to have got much movement out of any of the balls except the ball they switched to mid afternoon yesterday.

    Olly Stone looked out of his league yesterday, definitely much worse than Overton (a player I'm not yet convinced of).

    Get Sam Curran's golden arm back in the squad, I love watching him play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    I think he took a couple in the first test. He's been economical but he's also bowled maidens at important times in his spell. England don't seem to have got much movement out of any of the balls except the ball they switched to mid afternoon yesterday.

    Olly Stone looked out of his league yesterday, definitely much worse than Overton (a player I'm not yet convinced of).

    Get Sam Curran's golden arm back in the squad, I love watching him play.
    Overton would have taken 5 wickets by now and told each batsman to go back to the pavillion they came from...

    I'm fairly certain he passed racial incident is why he wasn't picked.

    Woakes is probably seen as an Anderson but not quite as good (same swing slightly less control) but I would say he offers a lot more batting to prop up a long tail.

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    IDK if this is an unpopular view, but i don't have a problem with England Cricket taking a stand and being shit at cricket if it means not picking the adult-history-of-public-racism crew.

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    >too racist to play cricket for England but not racist enough to be Prime Minister.

    England cricket aren't making a stand on racism. They're making a PR move with regards to individuals without any interest in actually addressing inequality of opportunity that exists structurally within English cricket (and makes the national team weaker as a result).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    >too racist to play cricket for England but not racist enough to be Prime Minister.
    Well when the england cricket team gets elected in by the public, you can have your mandate for racist cricketers back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    >too racist to play cricket for England but not racist enough to be Prime Minister.
    Well when the england cricket team gets elected in by the public, you can have your mandate for racist cricketers back.
    I only want cricketers who were racist 10 years ago. The only true racist is a born again racist.
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    Jesus Christ. What a team of absolute bottlers.
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    At least we haven't lost by an innings in england this summer.
    Yet.
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    Id love to know why the England top order are so fragile. Is it technique? Psychology? Completely inexcusable. They are supposed to be professionals.
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    I'd say mostly psychology. they can play, but the big scores almost always come when the pressure is off, ie when batting second and Broad's done a 7-40.
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    It feels like none of the top order except for maybe Sibley really get greedy for runs either.
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    A couple of years back we bemoaned the batting lineup for having too few test players, now do they have too many, without any accelerator or even threat?
    Crawley and Sibley can't exactly fill a bowling attack with fear once they get set. What are they going to do, score at 3 an over for 2 days ? oooo scary!
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    They aren't exactly staying in long enough to start accelerating.

    That said someone like Malan would be a good addition in place of Crawley. I'm happy for Sibley to accumulate runs at 3 and over if we have Malan, Root, Stokes, Buttler following him.

    The selections for the last test still confuse me. Are there are injury worries among players before India and Australia tests?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Id love to know why the England top order are so fragile. Is it technique? Psychology? Completely inexcusable. They are supposed to be professionals.
    There are a number of long term problems which are manifesting in our test team:

    1) County championship is played at either end of the season. This means the pitches seam about a lot more and batsman are more likely to try to attack (as there is a ball with their name on it so they might as well attack). This prioritises attacking play over solid batting.

    2) The ECB punishes spinning pitches as unfit and counties won't produce them - its no shock that most of the recent england spinners come from the one team with a vaguely turning pitch

    3) Bayliss - His 'lets play one day cricket for a test match' approach us has fucked us in so many ways. The message was to openers you need to swing at everything or you won't get in the England team, not to mention it was fucking moronic as the red ball and test match pitches move more exposing the technique of the flat track bully boys. When we could have been focussing on getting a solid line up and transitioning the team steadily we now have a very young team

    4) Rotation policies - We don't play our best team as we want to rotate them, it's arrogant especially against NZ who are one of the worlds best teams right now. It also means we don't have the right players being picked and horrible compromise teams with weaknesses all over them.

    5) Playing players out of position - Because of the compromises being made and happily ignoring players from the county circuit because of a favoured few players we play players out of position, for example Root should be a 5 and Bracey should be at 3, where they have performed best throughout their career.

    6) Totally ignoring form - Crawley was in horrible form in India, followed by terrible form in the county championship and they still picked him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siv View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Id love to know why the England top order are so fragile. Is it technique? Psychology? Completely inexcusable. They are supposed to be professionals.
    There are a number of long term problems which are manifesting in our test team:

    1) County championship is played at either end of the season. This means the pitches seam about a lot more and batsman are more likely to try to attack (as there is a ball with their name on it so they might as well attack). This prioritises attacking play over solid batting.

    2) The ECB punishes spinning pitches as unfit and counties won't produce them - its no shock that most of the recent england spinners come from the one team with a vaguely turning pitch

    3) Bayliss - His 'lets play one day cricket for a test match' approach us has fucked us in so many ways. The message was to openers you need to swing at everything or you won't get in the England team, not to mention it was fucking moronic as the red ball and test match pitches move more exposing the technique of the flat track bully boys. When we could have been focussing on getting a solid line up and transitioning the team steadily we now have a very young team

    4) Rotation policies - We don't play our best team as we want to rotate them, it's arrogant especially against NZ who are one of the worlds best teams right now. It also means we don't have the right players being picked and horrible compromise teams with weaknesses all over them.

    5) Playing players out of position - Because of the compromises being made and happily ignoring players from the county circuit because of a favoured few players we play players out of position, for example Root should be a 5 and Bracey should be at 3, where they have performed best throughout their career.

    6) Totally ignoring form - Crawley was in horrible form in India, followed by terrible form in the county championship and they still picked him.
    Good points. Also:

    7) Joe Root is a poor captain. Pick someone good, e.g. Buttler and we get new belief in the team, better field placements and the return of Root as a world class batsman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duckduck View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Id love to know why the England top order are so fragile. Is it technique? Psychology? Completely inexcusable. They are supposed to be professionals.
    There are a number of long term problems which are manifesting in our test team:

    1) County championship is played at either end of the season. This means the pitches seam about a lot more and batsman are more likely to try to attack (as there is a ball with their name on it so they might as well attack). This prioritises attacking play over solid batting.

    2) The ECB punishes spinning pitches as unfit and counties won't produce them - its no shock that most of the recent england spinners come from the one team with a vaguely turning pitch

    3) Bayliss - His 'lets play one day cricket for a test match' approach us has fucked us in so many ways. The message was to openers you need to swing at everything or you won't get in the England team, not to mention it was fucking moronic as the red ball and test match pitches move more exposing the technique of the flat track bully boys. When we could have been focussing on getting a solid line up and transitioning the team steadily we now have a very young team

    4) Rotation policies - We don't play our best team as we want to rotate them, it's arrogant especially against NZ who are one of the worlds best teams right now. It also means we don't have the right players being picked and horrible compromise teams with weaknesses all over them.

    5) Playing players out of position - Because of the compromises being made and happily ignoring players from the county circuit because of a favoured few players we play players out of position, for example Root should be a 5 and Bracey should be at 3, where they have performed best throughout their career.

    6) Totally ignoring form - Crawley was in horrible form in India, followed by terrible form in the county championship and they still picked him.
    Good points. Also:

    7) Joe Root is a poor captain. Pick someone good, e.g. Buttler and we get new belief in the team, better field placements and the return of Root as a world class batsman.
    This is more a reflection of the ECB - since Pieterson the main characteristic they are looking for in the captain is a safe pair of hands who can handle media not a leader or someone good at tactics.

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    There was some good cricket today at lords.

    The ECB decision to give captain to the msot promising batsman then watch confised as they shrivel up and die over and fucking over again is maddening. A real captain is so badly needed.
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    > It's a shame the Womens test was only 4 days.

    > It's also shame the test final is in England in summer. what did they think would happen
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    England's Development team are pretty solid!
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