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    Yes, amending the constitution is very easy.

    Almost as easy as getting the top post on Page 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Yes, amending the constitution is very easy.

    Almost as easy as getting the top post on Page 2.
    The interstate voting compact achieves a popular vote without changing the constitution.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...rstate_Compact

    Basically, since states can make agreements with one another outside of the federal government, and since states determine how their electoral votes are allocated, you can have an agreement with other states to allocate your electoral votes to whoever wins the popular vote. The agreement becomes active once enough electoral votes to determine the president are bound by it. Theoretically.

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    As long as the constitution's formulation of the roles of the federal govt and states stays in place, the electoral college should not be removed. If the constitution is dramatically rewritten in a way that makes states basically nothing more than administrative provinces then it makes sense but until then removing the electoral college is ludicrous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Coutu View Post
    The electoral college could easily be dispatched and should be but keep that noise down. More states have signed on to the popular vote compact. I hope they intensify efforts soon. Also if we had Merrick Garland gerrymandered states might of been fixed but now it could take decades to get the SC in a position to do so. We are so fucked for the little remaining future we have without climate change effects.
    So far only in Blue or Purple states, so if only states like that sign on to the popular vote compact, it does nothing to limit the power of rural red states, which are not going to sign on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorvil Barranis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Coutu View Post
    The electoral college could easily be dispatched and should be but keep that noise down. More states have signed on to the popular vote compact. I hope they intensify efforts soon. Also if we had Merrick Garland gerrymandered states might of been fixed but now it could take decades to get the SC in a position to do so. We are so fucked for the little remaining future we have without climate change effects.
    So far only in Blue or Purple states, so if only states like that sign on to the popular vote compact, it does nothing to limit the power of rural red states, which are not going to sign on.
    Given that Republicans currently control ~61% of State legislatures to the Democrats 37% I am pretty sure that the popular vote compact would only work to the benefit of Republicans. If a Republican wins the popular vote but loses the electoral college then a bunch of Red States will join the compact and force the blue states to give their votes to the Republican, if a Democrat wins the popular vote but loses the electoral college then the Red states will not join the compact, or withdraw from it, ensuring they can vote for the Republican.

    The Democrats need to get their shit together and figure out a way to compete and win in the rural states. They need to rebuild and fund the state parties that they deliberately abandoned under Tim Caine/Obama. They need to run candidates for every elected office from dog catcher up to generate an experienced bench for future advancement. They need to develop policies that visibly and practically help the citizens and fucking implement them when they have the power to do so.

    Or they can whine about Russia some more and give more hundreds of millions to consultants and then bitch and moan about how the mean old Republicans aren't helping them even when they've spent years, nay decades, enabling those very same Republican's policies.

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    "Maybe, instead of demonizing and alienating an entire swath of America, we could grow some balls and change the party's message to resonate more with the electorate, especially with disaffected white Christians. That way, people will be less inclined to support fringe candidates like Trump, and the Republican party won't be able to keep taking over the judicial branch."

    "ARE YOU CRAZY!? We obviously have to change the US Constitution in order to make a minuscule difference in the end result, which will trigger a legal battle that will take years to wind its way through the system and eventually reach the Supreme Court. Our moral high ground is CLEARLY superior, and there's no way we can lose!"

    "You want to change the Constitution, even though you still can't ratify the ERA after a century. You want to engage in a years-long battle in a venue that has been stacked against you by your opponents. And you still haven't figured out why you lost in 2000, 2004 and 2016."

    "Yes!"

    "And you still want to party to be run by condescending personalities from coastal states."

    "Absolutely!"

    "I'll pass."
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    just checked the last us thread and i seriously think some of y'all a) still have no idea what a real nazi is and b) have probably never had real interactions with human beings and c) are fucking autistic or something
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    just checked the last us thread and i seriously think some of y'all a) still have no idea what a real nazi is and b) have probably never had real interactions with human beings and c) are fucking autistic or something
    enjoy your new ban you monster

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    But islamism IS a product of class warfare. Rich white countries come into developing brown dictatorships, wreck the leadership, infrastructure and economy and then act all surprised that religious fanaticism is on the rise.
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    For the most part nobody here seriously calls anyone a Nazi though at most it's either somewhat ironic and purposefully exaggerated or to show where their thought processes ultimately end up bringing you. Lots of whinging about being called as such with not much of it actually going on. It makes it really easy to completely derail discussions though every time to deflect from one's shittiness, just use the victim card.

    No, Trump and his lot are not *literally nazis* and neither are a lot of people supporting them, but they sure as hell exhibit a shitton of traits of extreme nationalism, racial hatred, terrible economic decisions and consolidation of power that fascists are always fond of. So surely we don't have to play their game and keep discussing goddamn semantics every single time thus dilluting the actual issues behind it?

    Because every time you start doing this you're literally helping these assholes get away with their shit while people lose track of it all in a sea of arguments about purity and semantics. So please don't.
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    The ganging up on Alistair was real tho. Yes, he was a right leaning centrist but the level of hate he got here for just asking uncomfortable questions was over the top. And Isyel, I love you mate and thanks for all the Fallout 4 help, but your posting in said discussions was and 90% of the time is beyond the pale. I liked Alistair and found him a good proponent of conservative positions tbh. I might not have liked his standpoint but he had fair arguments and he knew how to express them to jab at our resident lefties.

    Anyway, I'm outta this thing, I got nothing to contribute to the US politics thread except saying may God have mercy on their souls cause I surely won't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    The ganging up on Alistair was real tho. Yes, he was a right leaning centrist but the level of hate he got here for just asking uncomfortable questions was over the top. And Isyel, I love you mate and thanks for all the Fallout 4 help, but your posting in said discussions was and 90% of the time is beyond the pale. I liked Alistair and found him a good proponent of conservative positions tbh. I might not have liked his standpoint but he had fair arguments and he knew how to express them to jab at our resident lefties.

    Anyway, I'm outta this thing, I got nothing to contribute to the US politics thread except saying may God have mercy on their souls cause I surely won't.
    Well, the mods didnt step in to save alistair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    The ganging up on Alistair was real tho. Yes, he was a right leaning centrist but the level of hate he got here for just asking uncomfortable questions was over the top. And Isyel, I love you mate and thanks for all the Fallout 4 help, but your posting in said discussions was and 90% of the time is beyond the pale. I liked Alistair and found him a good proponent of conservative positions tbh. I might not have liked his standpoint but he had fair arguments and he knew how to express them to jab at our resident lefties.

    Anyway, I'm outta this thing, I got nothing to contribute to the US politics thread except saying may God have mercy on their souls cause I surely won't.
    Well, the mods didnt step in to save alistair.
    And banned wrong person.

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    Repeatedly warned and handed out a few infractions actually.

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    BAN THEM BUT NOT TUEM COZ I AGREE WITH THEM BUT BEAN THE OUUDERS

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    Ok. People want more consistent moderation. How about staying consistently on topic ITT? Don't derail it about talk of the moderation (there are other threads you can whinge about how bad we are). Infractions for derailing the thread or personal attacks will be generously handed out henceforth ITT. Don't shit it up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    "Maybe, instead of demonizing and alienating an entire swath of America, we could grow some balls and change the party's message to resonate more with the electorate, especially with disaffected white Christians. That way, people will be less inclined to support fringe candidates like Trump, and the Republican party won't be able to keep taking over the judicial branch."

    "ARE YOU CRAZY!? We obviously have to change the US Constitution in order to make a minuscule difference in the end result, which will trigger a legal battle that will take years to wind its way through the system and eventually reach the Supreme Court. Our moral high ground is CLEARLY superior, and there's no way we can lose!"

    "You want to change the Constitution, even though you still can't ratify the ERA after a century. You want to engage in a years-long battle in a venue that has been stacked against you by your opponents. And you still haven't figured out why you lost in 2000, 2004 and 2016."

    "Yes!"

    "And you still want to party to be run by condescending personalities from coastal states."

    "Absolutely!"

    "I'll pass."
    Some pretty serious changes need to happen otherwise we're looking at ~70% of the population being told no by the ~30% who see nothing wrong with rising sea levels or selling your house to afford chemo

    And it's not even the electoral college, it's the courts who will be carrying out the will of that 30% well past their death.

    90 year old Gorsuch striking down another single-payer law is the real dystopian future

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