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    another Alistair lecture zzzzz

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    another Alistair lecture zzzzz
    And as usual, you ignore it because you really can't counter it.

    You know, in your heart, that your views are fringe as fuck here in the U.S., and probably in your home countries too by the looks of things today.

    It's why people with your views rarely speak them aloud outside the web, much less usually win elections running on them.

    So rather than have something better than Trump, you want it all or nothing, and you'll chose "burn it all down no matter the bloodshed and damage" instead.

    No shock really. Most of you are basically Pro-Trump. Because in your minds, he brings you that desperately desired violent revolution, overthrow of the system, and......guys who agree with you all 100% (or else) take power.

    It's cute really, for so much obvious intelligence here at FHC, there is so little real understanding of the world.


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    Formation of a strong leftist third party in USA means that Republicans get to rule unassailable for next 15 to 20 years before this stronk new 3rd party finishes off the Democrats for good, with 15-20% of Dem voters switching Republican for fear of communists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Generalizations Inbound:

    The Democrat Party is not a revolutionary socialist progressive party.

    They are a left-leaning corporatist moderate classical liberal party.

    Revolutionary socialist progressives (or whatever term you all prefer for people who are like you all) here vote Democrat, because of the two party system and inabillity to create their own unified party, because lol, leftists worst enemy are other flavors of leftist..
    One would think that anyone spending more than a few hours on this very forum would be absolutely clear on this.

    No shock really. Most of you are basically Pro-Trump. Because in your minds, he brings you that desperately desired violent revolution, overthrow of the system, and......guys who agree with you all 100% (or else) take power.
    Trump and Chomsky have exactly the same conception of the US, the difference is that Trump approves and embraces it. That's not quite the same as being Pro-Trump, but it is an entertaining congruence.
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    And btw, you're such a fucking asshole it genuinely amazes me on a regular basis how you manage to function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    another Alistair lecture zzzzz
    And as usual, you ignore it because you really can't counter it.

    You know, in your heart, that your views are fringe as fuck here in the U.S., and probably in your home countries too by the looks of things today.

    It's why people with your views rarely speak them aloud outside the web, much less usually win elections running on them.

    So rather than have something better than Trump, you want it all or nothing, and you'll chose "burn it all down no matter the bloodshed and damage" instead.

    No shock really. Most of you are basically Pro-Trump. Because in your minds, he brings you that desperately desired violent revolution, overthrow of the system, and......guys who agree with you all 100% (or else) take power.

    It's cute really, for so much obvious intelligence here at FHC, there is so little real understanding of the world.
    In which Alistair pretends posters want Trump to win because then that means it all falls apart and the revolution happens

    very unoriginal posting, 3/10 for this effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dzajic View Post
    Formation of a strong leftist third party in USA means that Republicans get to rule unassailable for next 15 to 20 years before this stronk new 3rd party finishes off the Democrats for good, with 15-20% of Dem voters switching Republican for fear of communists.

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    This is the part people forget. Democrats are a very broad coalition party, who try to keep a lot of left -> center right ideologies happy, mostly unsuccessfully all round. Really 3 parties in any country with a modern political system.

    Republicans at this point have become a cult, who unify behind their Trumpfuhrer.

    While this says a lot about the kind of people who become republicans, and why it should be made extinct as a political party, it's more or less been true for a really long time too.
    meh

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    Two-party systems: forcing people to "support" the guy they despise the least since Magna Carta was signed.
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    And btw, you're such a fucking asshole it genuinely amazes me on a regular basis how you manage to function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dzajic View Post
    Formation of a strong leftist third party in USA means that Republicans get to rule unassailable for next 15 to 20 years before this stronk new 3rd party finishes off the Democrats for good, with 15-20% of Dem voters switching Republican for fear of communists.
    Genuine question: suppose a 3rd (left-leaning) party would show up and can make it into Congress & Senate, is there precedence on how the U.S. would handle a coalition with said 3rd party and the Dems? Or is that something the U.S. political system would need to figure out then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dzajic View Post
    Formation of a strong leftist third party in USA means that Republicans get to rule unassailable for next 15 to 20 years before this stronk new 3rd party finishes off the Democrats for good, with 15-20% of Dem voters switching Republican for fear of communists.
    Genuine question: suppose a 3rd (left-leaning) party would show up and can make it into Congress & Senate, is there precedence on how the U.S. would handle a coalition with said 3rd party and the Dems? Or is that something the U.S. political system would need to figure out then?
    There's no system in place to do that, it would need to be arranged with the leadership of both parties to run a unified ticket or something.

    There's existing precedent for it though. Something like sub-parties already exist eg Democratic Farm Labor in Minnesota. Or you've got Angus King + Bernie who run as Independents but caucus with Dems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Generalizations Inbound:

    The Democrat Party is not a revolutionary socialist progressive party.

    They are a left-leaning corporatist moderate classical liberal party.

    Revolutionary socialist progressives (or whatever term you all prefer for people who are like you all) here vote Democrat, because of the two party system and inabillity to create their own unified party, because lol, leftists worst enemy are other flavors of leftist.

    That doesn't mean the party is going to move in that direction come time to govern. That was Bernie. He lost, twice. To moderate corporatist classically liberal mainstream establishment Democrats.

    If what you want its truly a revolutionary, progressive, socialist, pro Universal Health Care, pro BLM and reparations and wholesale economic restructuring, pro protesting/rioting, pro court packing, pro all the things you all say you want (including the large "up against the wall" contingent here), you're going to need to create your own party. You will never get all or most or even much of that from the Democrats.

    What you'll get from Democrats is moderate, classically liberal, traditional governance.

    Something you might want to consider: all the things you like and support......are likely not views held by any form of majority of Americans on the "left", i.e. Democrats and beyond. You and your beliefs are a tiny minority here. Like Libertarians. And your own party, running on what you all want, would be equally irrelevant come most elections. You're not a secret majority if only, if only. You're quite fringe, you just don't seem to know it.

    Food for thought, not that I expect it to sink in. I expect a few thinly-veiled pro-Trump-relelection-because-it'll -cause-a-civil-war-revolution type posts will surely be inbound, as usual.
    That's a nice idea. But you really either are ignorant of the insane systems in place to prevent 3rd parties from success, or are advocating from a position you know cant be won. Fat easier to dismantle the insane advantage the republicans have built themselves first, destroying the heavily and sometimes legally reinforced two party system is a colossal undertaking.

    Parties change. It is slow and laborious, but they do change. Generational and social pressures force change on them. Protests and legal battles do change them. It's not enough for a small 3rd party to exist of progressive idealists.. i hope for multi party systems, it would give space for alot of benefits.

    Also lol at lief writing all that out having no fucking idea what happens day to day here. I mean his youtube feed tells him everything he needs to know yeah?

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    healthcare pls

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    Strongly disagree with the idea that the US democrats are left leaning OR classically liberal.

    Some of them might be but the majority are milquetoast neoliberals who would run on "more good things and less bad things" if it didn't sound so stupid.

    Biden is a perfect example.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    healthcare pls
    no but heres some cbd oil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaztick View Post
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    healthcare pls
    no but heres some cbd oil
    Here are 8 different apps which promise the best monthly cbd oil subscription which is all subsidised by retarded venture capitalists hoping to grow enough market share to create an effective monopoly and somehow be worth several billion dollars in 5 years.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
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    healthcare pls
    no but heres some cbd oil
    Here are 8 different apps which promise the best monthly cbd oil subscription which is all subsidised by retarded venture capitalists hoping to grow enough market share to create an effective monopoly and somehow be worth several billion dollars in 5 years.
    I subscribe to all 8 and you can listen here to the 422nd episode of the cbd oil subscription podcast on spotify, stitcher and google play proudly sponsored by dollarshaveclub.com


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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    Two-party systems: forcing people to "support" the guy they despise the least since Magna Carta was signed.
    We have MMP here in NZ And in election this month a not insignificant number of right voters voted for the left party. In order to stop the minor green party from having any say in government. 1st time since mmp started here there has been a party with a majority. Note that left party was always going to win this year due to the cult of personality its leader has , not due to its actual achievements. But even so it would normally only get a vote in the 40s.

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    Get rid of a 2 party FPTP election system first and make strong 3rd parties later. Otherwise expect that your greater enemy will have 3,4 cycles of wins while you consolidate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dzajic View Post
    Get rid of a 2 party FPTP election system first and make strong 3rd parties later. Otherwise expect that your greater enemy will have 3,4 cycles of wins while you consolidate.

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    unfortunately the parties most vested in maintaining FPTP are the ones that have to agree to electoral reform

    guess boog or police state are the only options

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    Eat some sugar, Jack, you seem mighty agitated, wouldn't want you falling into diabetic shock from all the adrenaline. Sorry for following development in USA for probably as long as you've been alive and basing my assumptions on it. Who do you think you are, some kind of moderator or moral vertical here on FHC, giving permissions who can and cannot speak their mind, an all knowing mastermind who knows what others do and don't know about your country? Grow the fuck up.
    I was somewhere around Old Man Star, on the edge of Essence, when drugs began to take hold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    Eat some sugar, Jack, you seem mighty agitated, wouldn't want you falling into diabetic shock from all the adrenaline. Sorry for following development in USA for probably as long as you've been alive and basing my assumptions on it. Who do you think you are, some kind of moderator or moral vertical here on FHC, giving permissions who can and cannot speak their mind, an all knowing mastermind who knows what others do and don't know about your country? Grow the fuck up.
    Fuck off you ancient boot licking prick

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