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    Quote Originally Posted by Totally Not Larkonnis View Post
    Re: COVID death count for money. Wasn't there some speculation in the Plague thread at one point that the huge number of people dying on ventilators in US care compared to other nations was that sticking people on vents in the US triggered an extra federal payment, even if there was no benefit (or even a detriment) to doing so?

    Not suggesting the comments are at all appropriate.
    There was a discussion about ventilators in the US vs. the rest of the world, but it had nothing to do with federal payments.

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    The more I see from the US the more it becomes apparent that as soon as Biden gets elected it will be incredibly convenient for the chattering classes to pretend everything is normal again.
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    Like a metaphor for his presidency, thousands of supporters left in freezing temperatures for hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    The more I see from the US the more it becomes apparent that as soon as Biden gets elected it will be incredibly convenient for the chattering classes to pretend everything is normal again.
    Yeah the "return to normal" rhetoric is everywhere. There's a clear interest in having the lib electorate check out from politics like they did in 2009.

    Thing is...I don't even know if that's possible anymore. The stimulus is long overdue and the virus is spreading wildly. Electing Biden won't be enough to make everyone feel all happy inside so they stop paying attention

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    The more I see from the US the more it becomes apparent that as soon as Biden gets elected it will be incredibly convenient for the chattering classes to pretend everything is normal again.
    Yeah the "return to normal" rhetoric is everywhere. There's a clear interest in having the lib electorate check out from politics like they did in 2009.

    Thing is...I don't even know if that's possible anymore. The stimulus is long overdue and the virus is spreading wildly. Electing Biden won't be enough to make everyone feel all happy inside so they stop paying attention
    and the "normality" they want to return to is precisely what brought things to where they are today.
    i am sure there are lots of people out there pining for things to go back to normal, but that's not going to work, its just going to compound the already enormous problems facing US society.

    even if, by some magic means, Biden manages to restore normality then what ? normality in the US for the last 20 years have been sending soldiers to die in unwinnable wars over oil+other raw resources and rapidly eroding living standards coupled with escalating social tensions and increasingly divergent world views and realities. Trump is the logical conclusion of a long process caused by that "normality".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    The more I see from the US the more it becomes apparent that as soon as Biden gets elected it will be incredibly convenient for the chattering classes to pretend everything is normal again.
    You're rather optimistic...


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    It's not possible. What is going to happen, though, is that as soon as the elections and the whole fuckery is over (assuming Biden wins) is that the Dem establishment will then distance themselves from all the young people in the streets. The useful idiots will have played their part and Biden and co won't need em anymore, and all the support for AOC/BLM/CHAZ/anticop rhetoric/protests etc etc will fizzle out (as it already is).

    The only good thing about Trump's presidency is that everyone was up in arms about everything he said and that he was/wasn't doing. The mask came off US politics cause he was an elephant in a glassware store. All the bullshit that was tolerated as long as the illusion was there that a democrat El Presidente was educated and well spoken and liberal and thinking about the common people of the USA turned out to be exactly what it is, bullshit with corporate backers, the top echelons of USA have been doing what they always did.

    If a serious third party doesn't get created after all this (or a series of serious third party candidates on local levels), I dunno what's in store for good ole USofA. Probably nothing good. This whole generation of Democrat leadership needs to get fucking bent, but Im afraid they got their claws way too deep in to let go. How a new generation of leaders and politicians will walk the fine line between getting ingrained into the current US politics bullshit and working within the system to change it while at the same time working on progressive policies without going into the deep end of what's currently the norm of US far left... Same thing with the US Reps and the right.

    USA needs a total rework, a serious leadership ready to tackle deeply ingrained problems with the US, both internally and externally, and with a population as divided, deluded, disenfranchised and despairing as it is, in a failing global economy and a virus killing thousands with no short term solution in sight, I don't see it happening without some serious political shakeups and, with the average education and amount of weapons in the USA and all the indoctrination the population is sucking through their media and obviously zero capacity of self criticism and everyone upping the ante in dirty play... It's gonna get worse before it gets worse.

    To all our US posters: stay smart, stay safe, gods help y'all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Totally Not Larkonnis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    The more I see from the US the more it becomes apparent that as soon as Biden gets elected it will be incredibly convenient for the chattering classes to pretend everything is normal again.
    You're rather optimistic...
    I assume he means the ones who haven't been increasingly loudly screaming LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU EVERYTHING IS FINE with their fingers in their ears for the last 4 years.

    You know, like the "moderate" tories have been doing with brexit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    The more I see from the US the more it becomes apparent that as soon as Biden gets elected it will be incredibly convenient for the chattering classes to pretend everything is normal again.
    Yeah the "return to normal" rhetoric is everywhere. There's a clear interest in having the lib electorate check out from politics like they did in 2009.

    Thing is...I don't even know if that's possible anymore. The stimulus is long overdue and the virus is spreading wildly. Electing Biden won't be enough to make everyone feel all happy inside so they stop paying attention
    and the "normality" they want to return to is precisely what brought things to where they are today.
    i am sure there are lots of people out there pining for things to go back to normal, but that's not going to work, its just going to compound the already enormous problems facing US society.

    even if, by some magic means, Biden manages to restore normality then what ? normality in the US for the last 20 years have been sending soldiers to die in unwinnable wars over oil+other raw resources and rapidly eroding living standards coupled with escalating social tensions and increasingly divergent world views and realities. Trump is the logical conclusion of a long process caused by that "normality".
    The Dem partisans will be surprised when the protests start popping off again, especially if evictions and unemployment are not dealt with in a big way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    It's not possible. What is going to happen, though, is that as soon as the elections and the whole fuckery is over (assuming Biden wins) is that the Dem establishment will then distance themselves from all the young people in the streets. The useful idiots will have played their part and Biden and co won't need em anymore, and all the support for AOC/BLM/CHAZ/anticop rhetoric/protests etc etc will fizzle out (as it already is).
    There's never been any grand strategy to use the protests. The Democrats have always been annoyed or embarrassed by these kinds of things.

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    Generalizations Inbound:

    The Democrat Party is not a revolutionary socialist progressive party.

    They are a left-leaning corporatist moderate classical liberal party.

    Revolutionary socialist progressives (or whatever term you all prefer for people who are like you all) here vote Democrat, because of the two party system and inabillity to create their own unified party, because lol, leftists worst enemy are other flavors of leftist.

    That doesn't mean the party is going to move in that direction come time to govern. That was Bernie. He lost, twice. To moderate corporatist classically liberal mainstream establishment Democrats.

    If what you want its truly a revolutionary, progressive, socialist, pro Universal Health Care, pro BLM and reparations and wholesale economic restructuring, pro protesting/rioting, pro court packing, pro all the things you all say you want (including the large "up against the wall" contingent here), you're going to need to create your own party. You will never get all or most or even much of that from the Democrats.

    What you'll get from Democrats is moderate, classically liberal, traditional governance.

    Something you might want to consider: all the things you like and support......are likely not views held by any form of majority of Americans on the "left", i.e. Democrats and beyond. You and your beliefs are a tiny minority here. Like Libertarians. And your own party, running on what you all want, would be equally irrelevant come most elections. You're not a secret majority if only, if only. You're quite fringe, you just don't seem to know it.

    Food for thought, not that I expect it to sink in. I expect a few thinly-veiled pro-Trump-relelection-because-it'll -cause-a-civil-war-revolution type posts will surely be inbound, as usual.


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    THe democrats aren’t left leaning. Just in comparison to the other side, who are full blown racist fascists and anti American domestic enemies.
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