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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    Biden should attend to just 3 things:
    1. Covid response (vaccines, rapid testing, healthcare mobilization)
    2. Economy
    3. Avoid anything that makes a significant chunk of the electorate more panicky.
    The political reality is that half of the country hates his guts and believe the election was stolen.
    Anything that is controversial like gun control or new taxes, etc. is going to freak them out.
    After the way the Trump administration acted after losing the popular vote so badly, Biden is practically the god emperor with an iron mandate by comparison.

    Who gives a fuck what the right think. If they don't like it, I hope they protest more so they get fucking crushed violently.
    meh

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    Ah, so police brutality during riots is ok then is whacha saying?
    I was somewhere around Old Man Star, on the edge of Essence, when drugs began to take hold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    Ah, so police brutality during riots is ok then is whacha saying?
    The state acting against insurrectionists is fine. Necessary even. Don’t confuse that with protest.

    When those right wing traitors stormed the Capitol with zip ties, they moved from “Americans” to “enemy combatants” and we should treat any others who try the same, the same way we treat enemy combatants anywhere else on the planet.
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    By your definition CHAZ should have all gotten their skulls bashed in with maximum force then.

    Could it be you just like it when the state uses violence against people you don't agree with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    By your definition CHAZ should have all gotten their skulls bashed in with maximum force then.

    Could it be you just like it when the state uses violence against people you don't agree with?
    I missed the part of CHAZ where traitors to the country stormed the national capitol, and attempted (laughably) a coup. Maybe you could point it out to me?
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    Ah the good ole "Why do you care, it's just a government building" switcharoo
    I was somewhere around Old Man Star, on the edge of Essence, when drugs began to take hold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    Ah the good ole "Why do you care, it's just a government building" switcharoo
    No. It's intent, and purpose. If you can't see the difference, I feel sorry for you, tbh.

    A bunch of black people getting upset about the very real reality they live in where their lives don't count for very much, because cops execute them all the time, and other people getting pissed off with them,

    vs

    a bunch of rich white people with nothing better to do with their time than try to take over the country because they believe kakstories they read on the internet. Not to mention, the minority of the country, trying to shove their shit, failed, morally and ethically bankrupt ideology down everyone's throats.

    Fuck them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    Ah the good ole "Why do you care, it's just a government building" switcharoo
    I just want people to admit their political thinking goes no deeper than red bad blue good

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    The good old murican politics with only two choices for everything Looking outside you have only a horrible choice and a bad choice.

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    While what you are saying about Trump snatching defeat from the jaws of victory is true, it says more about how fucked US culture is than anything else. Trump certainly didnt objectively deserve re-election; by almost any measure he was poisonous for the USA, economically (thanks for the huge deficit with nothing to show for it except to billionaires and wallstreetbets-types), socially (more divided than ever, resurgence of racist views, culture war dialed to 11), morally (loss of global moral leadership role, normalisation of cheating, sexual harassment, using prostitutes etc) etc.. It's hard to argue he hasnt undermined (or done his best to) American democracy.

    He also did the opposite of his main campaign pledge - to drain the swamp. His appointments were almost universally ethics-less industry lobbyists (Scott Pruitt, Ajit Pai) or even worse, billionaire investors heavily long on killing the public functions they were appointed to administer (Betty DeVos). He passed with much fanfare a ban on his staffers joining lobbying firms post-whitehouse, then quietly rescinded it yesterday when it would have actually had any effect. He funnelled VAST sums of government and US military funds to his hotel properties. He accepted enormous bribes in the form of long-leases of his Trump properties from foreign governments. His final pardons were reserved for wealthy fraudsters, some of them such headscratchers (Kwame Kilpatrick?) that it's almost impossible to imagine any reason for them that isn't direct corruption / brown bagged money. This is the swampiest government of all time.

    It's hard to understand how anyone not deep in the cult or utterly cynical and shamefaced in their pursuit of lower personal taxes can claim he was anything but a failure. Sadly somehow 70 million americans are in that category.

    The next question is "how do we deprogram the cultists"
    Without a socialist understanding of society you'll never get it.

    If there had been another round of stimulus cheques before the election Trump would have won.
    If the dems had picked a 40 year old, likeable non-swamp person as their candidate it would have been a landslide in their favour. There are infinite 'this would have moved the dial' what ifs.

    Did you watch that youtube video on the previous page?
    Anyone whos in politics and in their 40s is just turbo-unelectable . You can see this with the Republican choices offered in 2016. All stilted, unfunny lawyers who've spent the past 20 years of their lives climbing the ladder and being hated by their wife.

    Whatever you want to say about Trump or Biden, they've got Old Man Magic. The ability to spin a yarn and say "c'mon man!" rather than "Please clap"
    I'm confused. Wasn't Clinton 46 and Obama 47 and Bush Jnr. something like 55 when first elected? And wasn't Kennedy younger than that??
    If it wasn't clear, I was talking about the current generation who are in their 40s
    So what has changed since Obama was elected in 2009? Why are 40 year olds now not electable when they were electable a decade ago?
    Well for one Obama was an outlier in the charisma department. So was Bill.

    Despite being of the managerial class, they did not act like them. They were warm, likable, and not robotic.

    I haven't seen anyone like that for Gen-Xers, who are the youngest people who could realistically become President atm. My pet theory is that the heightened competition since the 90s has done a good job of filtering out people who can act normal and connect with normal people. What you're getting are hardcore strivers who did all the homework, maxed out their GPA, and knew how to shank their peers.

    This is why it's funny to see people make a big deal about someone like Josh Hawley as a right populist threat. There's no way some stuffy Ivy nerd in a suit will be able to connect with a bunch of hooting magoids. It's gonna be someone like the MyPillow guy who'll tell stories about being a crackhead

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    Bernie memes are at an all time high! Glorious!















    Mildly NSFW, but really well made
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    Also, new president = v3.0 thread?
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    I would create a dragon made out of vaginas. Then I would create a dragon made out of dicks. Then I would have them fight to the death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    Ah the good ole "Why do you care, it's just a government building" switcharoo
    I just want people to admit their political thinking goes no deeper than red bad blue good
    What if I think CHAZ/BLM Riots (not the peaceful protest) should have been "stomped", i.e. not permitted AND that the Capital Insurrectionists should have been stomped (literally) and stomped 100x as hard?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    Ah the good ole "Why do you care, it's just a government building" switcharoo
    I just want people to admit their political thinking goes no deeper than red bad blue good
    What if I think CHAZ/BLM Riots (not the peaceful protest) should have been "stomped", i.e. not permitted AND that the Capital Insurrectionists should have been stomped (literally) and stomped 100x as hard?
    Boring centrist position tbh
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    Ah the good ole "Why do you care, it's just a government building" switcharoo
    I just want people to admit their political thinking goes no deeper than red bad blue good
    What if I think CHAZ/BLM Riots (not the peaceful protest) should have been "stomped", i.e. not permitted AND that the Capital Insurrectionists should have been stomped (literally) and stomped 100x as hard?
    Boring centrist position tbh
    At least he's somewhat ideologically consistent and willing to have his views challenged (not a jab at you)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowa [NSN] View Post
    Bernie memes are at an all time high! Glorious!

    Also, new president = v3.0 thread?
    https://www.reddit.com/r/dankmemes/c...s/l2lvov/boom/

    cant figure out how to embed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
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    Ah the good ole "Why do you care, it's just a government building" switcharoo
    I just want people to admit their political thinking goes no deeper than red bad blue good
    What if I think CHAZ/BLM Riots (not the peaceful protest) should have been "stomped", i.e. not permitted AND that the Capital Insurrectionists should have been stomped (literally) and stomped 100x as hard?
    Boring centrist position tbh
    At least he's somewhat ideologically consistent and willing to have his views challenged (not a jab at you)
    I agree 100%, my response was mostly in jest
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
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    Biden should attend to just 3 things:
    1. Covid response (vaccines, rapid testing, healthcare mobilization)
    2. Economy
    3. Avoid anything that makes a significant chunk of the electorate more panicky.
    The political reality is that half of the country hates his guts and believe the election was stolen.
    Anything that is controversial like gun control or new taxes, etc. is going to freak them out.
    Why should he limit himself to what the right wants when the right will make up whatever is required to justify hating him even if he does? JADE HELM, Tan suit, wrong kind of mustard, buttery males - any pretext will do
    Not all republicans are QAnon or Trump hardcore supporters. There are liberal republicans he can work with.
    Ahahahahahaahahahaha!

    Such as who? Because the "liberal republicans" sure as shit haven't been much in evidence this last couple of decades. If there's one thing that the house and senate republicans have made 100% absolutely crystal clear it's that they will literally lockstep oppose a Democrat on anything - even their own policies.
    There were a lot of figures of Republicans who didn't endorse or vote for Trump, some of MP vote for Trump second impeachment. Is one thing what you declare and other what you will do. If Dems fail to keep their extremists in bay and lost seats in 2022, then Biden will have to work with GOP. He spent 40 years in politics and have connections with republican MP, he is not an outsider like Trump.
    Oh sure some of them turned on him once it was obvious that he was a goner. It's a well known cliche that Republican representatives rediscover their morals in their last month in the job (or when they're dying).

    But not one of them broke rank when it could actually change anything, either during Trump's admin or Obama's.

    And even if one did, because I'm sure you're going to find one incidence of one guy doing it, one guy aint enough to "work with".
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    And btw, you're such a fucking asshole it genuinely amazes me on a regular basis how you manage to function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowa [NSN] View Post
    Bernie memes are at an all time high! Glorious!?





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    Quote Originally Posted by Venec View Post
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    Bernie memes are at an all time high! Glorious!?




    you stole my fucking meme u shit

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    Bernie Meme, Best Meme.


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