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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    The DNC is a joke opting for Biden over Sanders. But Biden is still an infinitive better option than Trump. Despite his incoherent slurred speech.
    Biden got more votes. Funny how democracy works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorvil Barranis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    The DNC is a joke opting for Biden over Sanders. But Biden is still an infinitive better option than Trump. Despite his incoherent slurred speech.
    Biden got more votes. Funny how democracy works.
    Aye, that's an odd complaint. I wanted Bernie to win, he didn't. Didn't see nearly so much DNC hand-on-the-scale manipulation this last cycle as we did with Clinton v. Bernie, where Bernie really did get robbed by the DNC.

    In any event, I think it's very clear Susan Rice REALLY wants to be the VP Choice, given today's Op-Ed by one of her surrogates on CNN:

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/06/opini...aki/index.html

    It's an interesting read, if a bit flowery and puff-pieceish.

    Seems like it's down to Harris or Rice at this stage. Hope he announces soon.


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    New York Attorney General Moves To Dissolve The NRA After Fraud Investigation

    The attorney general of New York took action Thursday to dissolve the National Rifle Association following an 18-month investigation that found evidence the powerful gun rights group is "fraught with fraud and abuse."

    Attorney General Letitia James claims in a lawsuit filed Thursday that she found financial misconduct in the millions of dollars and that it contributed to a loss of more than $64 million over a three-year period.

    The suit alleges that top NRA executives misused charitable funds for personal gain, awarded contracts to friends and family members, and provided contracts to former employees to ensure loyalty.

    Seeking to dissolve the NRA is the most aggressive sanction James could have sought against the not-for-profit organization, which James has jurisdiction over because it is registered in New York. James has a wide range of authorities relating to nonprofits in the state, including the authority to force organizations to cease operations or dissolve. The NRA is all but certain to contest it.

    NPR has reached out to the NRA for comment but has not received a response.

    "The NRA's influence has been so powerful that the organization went unchecked for decades while top executives funneled millions into their own pockets," James said in a statement. "The NRA is fraught with fraud and abuse, which is why, today, we seek to dissolve the NRA, because no organization is above the law."
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    Are these really the best candidates you could find?
    The President in particular is very much a figurehead — he wields no real power whatsoever. He is apparently chosen by the government, but the qualities he is required to display are not those of leadership but those of finely judged outrage. For this reason the President is always a controversial choice, always an infuriating but fascinating character. His job is not to wield power but to draw attention away from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    The DNC is a joke opting for Biden over Sanders. But Biden is still an infinitive better option than Trump. Despite his incoherent slurred speech.
    Biden got more votes. Funny how democracy works.
    Aye, that's an odd complaint. I wanted Bernie to win, he didn't. Didn't see nearly so much DNC hand-on-the-scale manipulation this last cycle as we did with Clinton v. Bernie, where Bernie really did get robbed by the DNC.

    In any event, I think it's very clear Susan Rice REALLY wants to be the VP Choice, given today's Op-Ed by one of her surrogates on CNN:

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/06/opini...aki/index.html

    It's an interesting read, if a bit flowery and puff-pieceish.

    Seems like it's down to Harris or Rice at this stage. Hope he announces soon.
    Yeah, keeping Warren in the race to siphon votes away from Sanders during super Tuesday definitely wasn't overt manipulation of the electorate, nope.

    America really be thinking it's like the Roman Empire during the golden age when really it's like the Byzantine Empire. Rotten to the core and in decline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post

    Yeah, keeping everyone in the race to siphon votes away from Sanders during super Tuesday definitely wasn't overt manipulation of the electorate, nope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
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    The DNC is a joke opting for Biden over Sanders. But Biden is still an infinitive better option than Trump. Despite his incoherent slurred speech.
    Biden got more votes. Funny how democracy works.
    Aye, that's an odd complaint. I wanted Bernie to win, he didn't. Didn't see nearly so much DNC hand-on-the-scale manipulation this last cycle as we did with Clinton v. Bernie, where Bernie really did get robbed by the DNC.

    In any event, I think it's very clear Susan Rice REALLY wants to be the VP Choice, given today's Op-Ed by one of her surrogates on CNN:

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/06/opini...aki/index.html

    It's an interesting read, if a bit flowery and puff-pieceish.

    Seems like it's down to Harris or Rice at this stage. Hope he announces soon.
    Yeah, keeping Warren in the race to siphon votes away from Sanders during super Tuesday definitely wasn't overt manipulation of the electorate, nope.

    America really be thinking it's like the Roman Empire during the golden age when really it's like the Byzantine Empire. Rotten to the core and in decline.
    If you believe Elizabeth Warren stayed in the race as part of a plot between herself, Biden and the DNC to screw Bernie out of the nomination......you'll simply have to show some actual supportive evidence of that, Mr. Trump.

    I think we have enough conspiracy theories already these days, doncha think?

    Here is an alternate theory, Warren stayed in to gather electors to her leverage (and maybe tie-break/king-make) at the convention towards a Biden VP nod because she knew she'd lost, and knew her sexism attacks on Bernie meant she'd never get his VP nod. And she thought she had a chance to be Biden's VP.....then George Floyd happened and that chance went to shit for her, with Biden exclusively looking at black women for his VP slot.

    And please don't get it twisted, I'm 100% aware we're in major decline as a power.

    Lets hope the E.U. can rise up and take our place as THE Great Power, because the alternatives, China, Russia, India, Brazil.....not so great either.
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    "conspiracies never happen"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
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    Yeah, keeping everyone in the race to siphon votes away from Sanders during super Tuesday definitely wasn't overt manipulation of the electorate, nope.
    fyp
    Removing everyone except your preferred candidate is also overt manipulation of the electorate, and is the more traditional approach.
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    idiotic posts out of context

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    "conspiracies never happen"

    Um, that's not evidence, Mr. Trump.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    The DNC is a joke opting for Biden over Sanders. But Biden is still an infinitive better option than Trump. Despite his incoherent slurred speech.
    Biden got more votes. Funny how democracy works.
    Aye, that's an odd complaint. I wanted Bernie to win, he didn't. Didn't see nearly so much DNC hand-on-the-scale manipulation this last cycle as we did with Clinton v. Bernie, where Bernie really did get robbed by the DNC.

    In any event, I think it's very clear Susan Rice REALLY wants to be the VP Choice, given today's Op-Ed by one of her surrogates on CNN:

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/06/opini...aki/index.html

    It's an interesting read, if a bit flowery and puff-pieceish.

    Seems like it's down to Harris or Rice at this stage. Hope he announces soon.
    Yeah, keeping Warren in the race to siphon votes away from Sanders during super Tuesday definitely wasn't overt manipulation of the electorate, nope.

    America really be thinking it's like the Roman Empire during the golden age when really it's like the Byzantine Empire. Rotten to the core and in decline.
    If you believe Elizabeth Warren stayed in the race as part of a plot between herself, Biden and the DNC to screw Bernie out of the nomination......you'll simply have to show some actual supportive evidence of that, Mr. Trump.

    I think we have enough conspiracy theories already these days, doncha think?

    Here is an alternate theory, Warren stayed in to gather electors to her leverage (and maybe tie-break/king-make) at the convention towards a Biden VP nod because she knew she'd lost, and knew her sexism attacks on Bernie meant she'd never get his VP nod. And she thought she had a chance to be Biden's VP.....then George Floyd happened and that chance went to shit for her, with Biden exclusively looking at black women for his VP slot.

    And please don't get it twisted, I'm 100% aware we're in major decline as a power.

    Lets hope the E.U. can rise up and take our place as THE Great Power, because the alternatives, China, Russia, India, Brazil.....not so great either.
    The EU won’t be doing anything like that at this rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    The DNC is a joke opting for Biden over Sanders. But Biden is still an infinitive better option than Trump. Despite his incoherent slurred speech.
    Biden got more votes. Funny how democracy works.
    Aye, that's an odd complaint. I wanted Bernie to win, he didn't. Didn't see nearly so much DNC hand-on-the-scale manipulation this last cycle as we did with Clinton v. Bernie, where Bernie really did get robbed by the DNC.

    In any event, I think it's very clear Susan Rice REALLY wants to be the VP Choice, given today's Op-Ed by one of her surrogates on CNN:

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/06/opini...aki/index.html

    It's an interesting read, if a bit flowery and puff-pieceish.

    Seems like it's down to Harris or Rice at this stage. Hope he announces soon.
    I didn't even imply any hand on scale manipulation. Even if the convention voted for Biden it was and is a stupid choice

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    Lets move on from crackpot "my guy didnt win so everything is a conspiracy" land.

    New York AG wants to kill the NRA: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/06/u...tia-james.html

    Rutheless attack by the east coast elite on the second amendment at the behest of the Clinton Foundation? Comey-style newsdrop to rally Trump supporters around the flag as the election heats up? Lets find out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    "conspiracies never happen"

    Um, that's not evidence, Mr. Trump.
    Just like there was no evidence of mass surveillance until Snowden's sacrifice.

    Just like there was no evidence of collusion within the DNC in 2016 until the Russians hacked the DNC servers and leaked the emails showing there was.

    etc etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
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    "conspiracies never happen"

    Um, that's not evidence, Mr. Trump.
    Just like there was no evidence of mass surveillance until Snowden's sacrifice.

    Just like there was no evidence of collusion within the DNC in 2016 until the Russians hacked the DNC servers and leaked the emails showing there was.

    etc etc
    Or that there was no evidence that the only reason Trump is president is that his Russian friends cheated for him.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
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    "conspiracies never happen"

    Um, that's not evidence, Mr. Trump.
    Just like there was no evidence of mass surveillance until Snowden's sacrifice.

    Just like there was no evidence of collusion within the DNC in 2016 until the Russians hacked the DNC servers and leaked the emails showing there was.

    etc etc
    Or that there was no evidence that the only reason Trump is president is that his Russian friends cheated for him.
    You're willfully ignorant Erich. I don't expect you to educate yourself, and when presented with evidence that does not support your approved viewpoints I expect you'll ignore it, but here you go.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_D...tee_email_leak

    Bernie Sanders' campaign
    In the emails, DNC staffers derided the Sanders campaign.[25] The Washington Post reported: "Many of the most damaging emails suggest the committee was actively trying to undermine Bernie Sanders's presidential campaign. Basically, all of these examples came late in the primary—after Hillary Clinton was clearly headed for victory—but they belie the national party committee's stated neutrality in the race even at that late stage."[6]

    In a May 2016 email chain, the DNC chief financial officer (CFO) Brad Marshall told the DNC chief executive officer, Amy Dacy, that they should have someone from the media ask Sanders if he is an atheist prior to the West Virginia primary.[6][26]

    On May 21, 2016, DNC National Press Secretary Mark Paustenbach sent an email to DNC Spokesman Luis Miranda mentioning a controversy that ensued in December 2015, when the National Data Director of the Sanders campaign and three subordinate staffers accessed the Clinton campaign's voter information on the NGP VAN database.[27] (The party accused Sanders' campaign of impropriety and briefly limited its access to the database. The Sanders campaign filed suit for breach of contract against the DNC, but dropped the suit on April 29, 2016.)[26][28][29] Paustenbach suggested that the incident could be used to promote a "narrative for a story, which is that Bernie never had his act together, that his campaign was a mess." The DNC rejected this suggestion.[6][26] The Washington Post wrote: "Paustenbach's suggestion, in that way, could be read as a defense of the committee rather than pushing negative information about Sanders. But this is still the committee pushing negative information about one of its candidates."[6]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
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    "conspiracies never happen"

    Um, that's not evidence, Mr. Trump.
    Just like there was no evidence of mass surveillance until Snowden's sacrifice.

    Just like there was no evidence of collusion within the DNC in 2016 until the Russians hacked the DNC servers and leaked the emails showing there was.

    etc etc
    Or that there was no evidence that the only reason Trump is president is that his Russian friends cheated for him.
    You're willfully ignorant Erich. I don't expect you to educate yourself, and when presented with evidence that does not support your approved viewpoints I expect you'll ignore it, but here you go.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_D...tee_email_leak

    Bernie Sanders' campaign
    In the emails, DNC staffers derided the Sanders campaign.[25] The Washington Post reported: "Many of the most damaging emails suggest the committee was actively trying to undermine Bernie Sanders's presidential campaign. Basically, all of these examples came late in the primary—after Hillary Clinton was clearly headed for victory—but they belie the national party committee's stated neutrality in the race even at that late stage."[6]

    In a May 2016 email chain, the DNC chief financial officer (CFO) Brad Marshall told the DNC chief executive officer, Amy Dacy, that they should have someone from the media ask Sanders if he is an atheist prior to the West Virginia primary.[6][26]

    On May 21, 2016, DNC National Press Secretary Mark Paustenbach sent an email to DNC Spokesman Luis Miranda mentioning a controversy that ensued in December 2015, when the National Data Director of the Sanders campaign and three subordinate staffers accessed the Clinton campaign's voter information on the NGP VAN database.[27] (The party accused Sanders' campaign of impropriety and briefly limited its access to the database. The Sanders campaign filed suit for breach of contract against the DNC, but dropped the suit on April 29, 2016.)[26][28][29] Paustenbach suggested that the incident could be used to promote a "narrative for a story, which is that Bernie never had his act together, that his campaign was a mess." The DNC rejected this suggestion.[6][26] The Washington Post wrote: "Paustenbach's suggestion, in that way, could be read as a defense of the committee rather than pushing negative information about Sanders. But this is still the committee pushing negative information about one of its candidates."[6]
    whatabout, whatabout, whatabout.

    The refuge of people with no real argument.

    There is evidence they hacked the RNC too. Ever wonder why you only saw one sides emails?
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
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    The DNC is a joke opting for Biden over Sanders. But Biden is still an infinitive better option than Trump. Despite his incoherent slurred speech.
    Biden got more votes. Funny how democracy works.
    Aye, that's an odd complaint. I wanted Bernie to win, he didn't. Didn't see nearly so much DNC hand-on-the-scale manipulation this last cycle as we did with Clinton v. Bernie, where Bernie really did get robbed by the DNC.

    In any event, I think it's very clear Susan Rice REALLY wants to be the VP Choice, given today's Op-Ed by one of her surrogates on CNN:

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/06/opini...aki/index.html

    It's an interesting read, if a bit flowery and puff-pieceish.

    Seems like it's down to Harris or Rice at this stage. Hope he announces soon.
    I didn't even imply any hand on scale manipulation. Even if the convention voted for Biden it was and is a stupid choice
    TBD in my view.

    Biden crushes Trump in a landslide, hard to see it as a "stupid" choice, unless ideological purity trumps pragmatic victory and the end of Trump.

    Of course, some will always think "Bernie would have won by more, America is screaming for progressiveness!" but that's wishful thinking fantasy. Bernie was always going to be a weaker general candidate than a "safe" moderate like Biden.

    End of the day, beating Trump is what matters most. Tackle the next challenge AFTER the first challenge is passed. If Biden is too moderate ideologically, then challenge him from the left next cycle, presuming you have the popular support to do so.

    Sadly, I think too many folks have it in their heads that people support far left ideology. Maybe they say the do on individual issue polls, but they certainly don't seem to show up and vote for it when the chips are down.


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    "conspiracies never happen"

    Um, that's not evidence, Mr. Trump.
    Just like there was no evidence of mass surveillance until Snowden's sacrifice.

    Just like there was no evidence of collusion within the DNC in 2016 until the Russians hacked the DNC servers and leaked the emails showing there was.

    etc etc
    Or that there was no evidence that the only reason Trump is president is that his Russian friends cheated for him.
    You're willfully ignorant Erich. I don't expect you to educate yourself, and when presented with evidence that does not support your approved viewpoints I expect you'll ignore it, but here you go.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_D...tee_email_leak

    Bernie Sanders' campaign
    In the emails, DNC staffers derided the Sanders campaign.[25] The Washington Post reported: "Many of the most damaging emails suggest the committee was actively trying to undermine Bernie Sanders's presidential campaign. Basically, all of these examples came late in the primary—after Hillary Clinton was clearly headed for victory—but they belie the national party committee's stated neutrality in the race even at that late stage."[6]

    In a May 2016 email chain, the DNC chief financial officer (CFO) Brad Marshall told the DNC chief executive officer, Amy Dacy, that they should have someone from the media ask Sanders if he is an atheist prior to the West Virginia primary.[6][26]

    On May 21, 2016, DNC National Press Secretary Mark Paustenbach sent an email to DNC Spokesman Luis Miranda mentioning a controversy that ensued in December 2015, when the National Data Director of the Sanders campaign and three subordinate staffers accessed the Clinton campaign's voter information on the NGP VAN database.[27] (The party accused Sanders' campaign of impropriety and briefly limited its access to the database. The Sanders campaign filed suit for breach of contract against the DNC, but dropped the suit on April 29, 2016.)[26][28][29] Paustenbach suggested that the incident could be used to promote a "narrative for a story, which is that Bernie never had his act together, that his campaign was a mess." The DNC rejected this suggestion.[6][26] The Washington Post wrote: "Paustenbach's suggestion, in that way, could be read as a defense of the committee rather than pushing negative information about Sanders. But this is still the committee pushing negative information about one of its candidates."[6]
    whatabout, whatabout, whatabout.

    The refuge of people with no real argument.
    Me: The DNC colluded against sanders as revealed by the Russian hack.

    You: Yeah but whatabout trump winning the election

    Me: Here's evidence with sources in the link showing the DNC conspiring against sanders, but you'll probably disregard it.

    You: WHATABOUT

    T. Saffa logic. I'm politely chuckling as I watch you descend further into American political doublethink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
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    "conspiracies never happen"

    Um, that's not evidence, Mr. Trump.
    Just like there was no evidence of mass surveillance until Snowden's sacrifice.

    Just like there was no evidence of collusion within the DNC in 2016 until the Russians hacked the DNC servers and leaked the emails showing there was.

    etc etc
    Evidence of other issues is not evidence of YOUR conspiracy, Mr. Trump.

    Just because this apple IS is fact red, does not make that Orange over there behind your back red as well.

    Fuck sake, why does everyone fall into this same pit regardless of their ideology. Everything they're unhappy with is a conspiracy.

    Sometime individuals acting in their own individual interests do things that result in shit we're unhappy about. It's not always a conspiracy ffs.

    With that said, I LOVE the idea of Elizabeth Warren in shadowy back rooms making deals with the DNC and Biden, then getting turned on and taken out like we're watching a Mafia movie. Lol.


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