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    Mass demonstrations in the streets is slightly different to an armed militia running around the capitol looking for hostages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Mass demonstrations in the streets is slightly different to an armed militia running around the capitol looking for hostages.
    It's just the sort of moral equivalence you'd expect from people with their head up their own ass

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    Inciting domestic violence is a reasonable standard for impeachment, but not apply it to Democrats who supported BLM protests?
    Say hello to double standard.
    show us where democrats actively encouraged violence at the BLM protests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Mass demonstrations in the streets is slightly different to an armed militia running around the capitol looking for hostages.
    It's just the sort of moral equivalence you'd expect from people with their head up their own ass
    i mean if you subscribe to conservatism, it's perfectly reasonable in that framework.
    BLM and this summer's confrontation with law enforcement was clearly a threat to the existing social order, the have-nots of the out-group wanted to have influence on the rules, this is simply unacceptable as it threatens the very stability of the system.

    this coup attempt can be, not unreasonably, be viewed as a reactionary response, an attempt to double down on the existing order and preventing the great evil of even mild reform from rearing its head. after all everything is fine right ? the democrats have actively signalled that they think everything might not be that fine and some minor adjustments are needed. seeing the thing edge of a wedge, well why not give it a shot ? after all the election was stolen, the media bubble they're in keeps claiming that. so it's not like its morally objectionable to take it back.

    events such as this are rarely organized affairs, there is a small cadre who have a specific goal, and a whole lot of people caught up in the moment and just rolling with the crowd. the former carried guns and zip ties, the latter respectfully queued within the barriers and mostly went sightseeing around the place. this is a repeating pattern, the Bastille was like this as Joe points out.
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    With the US experience in organizing coups elsewhere this was really a poor showing

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    Quote Originally Posted by evil edna View Post
    With the US experience in organizing coups elsewhere this was really a poor showing
    flyover militia larpers aren't exactly what we'd call the A Team of coups, though neither were the Nazi party until they figured out how to do it right which is, idk, what's the opposite of comforting...
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    Quote Originally Posted by evil edna View Post
    With the US experience in organizing coups elsewhere this was really a poor showing
    Look, with COVID travel restrictions they had to improvise their coup staging needs and half assed it at home for a laugh.

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    Just had a random thought: Trump will sue Twitter and ask for a bajillion bucksz for discrimination
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    Just had a random thought: Trump will sue Twitter and ask for a bajillion bucksz for discrimination
    He'll have to represent himself, because at this point I'm not sure there's a lawyer who's willing to. No one wants to work for free, and Trump doesn't pay his bills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    Just had a random thought: Trump will sue Twitter and ask for a bajillion bucksz for discrimination
    I mean he does nothing but useless lawsuits, but I bet he won't even find a lawyer like Steck said, and I would love to see his finances crumble after this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    Just had a random thought: Trump will sue Twitter and ask for a bajillion bucksz for discrimination
    afaik being a gibbon isn't a protected characteristic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    Inciting domestic violence is a reasonable standard for impeachment, but not apply it to Democrats who supported BLM protests?
    Say hello to double standard.
    burning a kfc down isn't quite as serious as trying to overthrow the government, hth

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    on the one hand you have people very angry at police violence finally having enough and taking to the streets
    on the other hand you have a bunch of racists angry at losing the election and trying to overthrow it by breaking into the seat of government with intent to kill parts of the government

    these are the same
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    Quote Originally Posted by teds :D View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    Inciting domestic violence is a reasonable standard for impeachment, but not apply it to Democrats who supported BLM protests?
    Say hello to double standard.
    burning a kfc down isn't quite as serious as trying to overthrow the government, hth
    Hey, being the US it's safe to treat a corporate building as goverment one

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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Mass demonstrations in the streets is slightly different to an armed militia running around the capitol looking for hostages.
    It's just the sort of moral equivalence you'd expect from people with their head up their own ass
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venec View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by teds :D View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    Inciting domestic violence is a reasonable standard for impeachment, but not apply it to Democrats who supported BLM protests?
    Say hello to double standard.
    burning a kfc down isn't quite as serious as trying to overthrow the government, hth
    Hey, being the US it's safe to treat a corporate building as goverment one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totally Not Larkonnis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by teds :D View Post
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    A week after the fact this tweet comes out...

    Fake news. This shit is going to be the Reichstag fire for the Democrats and they're going to milk it for the next four years.
    erm

    because

    the other side LITERALLY DID try and overthrow the government

    you know, killed a cop, nearly killed another, brought zip ties, guns, molotovs, pipe bombs and a fucking noose
    A poor man's attempt. No command and control. If it was a true coup with insider action you'd expect at least one or two people to be fed to senor choppy? ca ca?
    If there's one thing we've seen clearly demonstrated, it's that intelligence isn't a prime requirement for these people
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruri View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by evil edna View Post
    With the US experience in organizing coups elsewhere this was really a poor showing
    flyover militia larpers aren't exactly what we'd call the A Team of coups, though neither were the Nazi party until they figured out how to do it right which is, idk, what's the opposite of comforting...
    Yup, they will learn. This is not over yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teds :D View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    Inciting domestic violence is a reasonable standard for impeachment, but not apply it to Democrats who supported BLM protests?
    Say hello to double standard.
    burning a kfc down isn't quite as serious as trying to overthrow the government, hth
    I don't know, I look at pictures of the damage caused by riots in Minneapolis, Portland, Baltimore and elsewhere, large scale destruction with whole blocks destroyed, dozens of assaults and a few deaths in each case, as well as occupied or burned down government building, etc.

    Then I look at the minor property damage caused by the Trumpist Nazis, and the fact that most of the deaths are dead Trumpist.

    Apart for the "interrupting the sacred process" part, which perhaps feels like calling that a "Coup" or "insurrection" feels just a bit hyperbole (especially given it was being called a "symbolic" event in the leadup to it), frankly, there is no real comparison, damage wise.

    We may support the BLM motivations (and we do) and denounce the Trumpist Nazi motivations (and we do), but I do find the description of the various BLM-Police riots as "mostly peaceful" while the Trump Capitol Riot is being described on par with Lebanon-type Civil War events type terms to be, again, a bit heavy handed.

    In no way does this mean I support or condone or accept any action taken by the Trumpist Nazis. They are ignorant, violent, and misguided people.

    But what happened to the arguments that "property damage isn't violence", since 99.9% of the DC attack was minor property damage?

    What happened to the arguments that "rules aren't for protestors" and "can't expect angry people to be peaceful, violence is ok in protests, thats how you change the system" commonly made here at FHC when it's a left-leaning protest/riot?

    I just don't think you guys get it that this unequal treatment is exactly what feeds the Right-Wing-Fascist Machine here.

    Every time someone who feels completely unrepresented and left out and that the Govt. system is broken/corrupt and hates them (generally white, uneducated, poor(ish), rural, Christian, men, and many racist/sexists/fascist to boot) hears Minneapolis described as "mostly peaceful" and DC described as a Coup, they fall further into the spell of populists like Trump.

    Again, for the record, no support whatsoever for Trump, Trumpists, the DC attack, any future attack, or anything else related to Trumpism in any way by me. Period, end of story. What they did was abhorrent, and the lies about the election utterly reprehensible and abhorrent to me, I believe in the system of Government we have, and I believe in peaceful objections when they're to be made, I do not believe in violence.

    But I think we need to examine the causes of Trumperism and work to combat them, not just call them Nazi's, feed their beliefs with our rhetoric, and then wipe our hands, done done and done.

    I doubt anyone here will agree, but yeah, there is it. Alistair is a Nazi inbound in 3...2...1...
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    Still hasn't answered any counter points.

    Oh and fuck off with that shit.

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