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    Biden approval in the shitter with most voters think he isnt getting enough done. Good work Manchin and Sinema
    That's not what the polls show. Biden's approval rating took a sharp turn after the Afghanistan debacle, then kept diving as delta variant spread. People are worried about inflation, and Biden's vaccine mandates for employment are deeply unpopular in many places. Very little to do with Manchin and Sinema.
    https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...most-important

    Economy is people's biggest issue. Biden's two economic measures have been held up and whittled down by Manchin and Sinema
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    I don't get why Manchin is that worried about money. It's not like the poverty stricken state he and his fellow WV politicians have made and kept as a shithole full of revenue draining leeches on the rest of us, over the years, has had to pay for anything else in it's entire existence.

    It's like a cheap date getting pissed off at you for wanting to order steak when you can afford it.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    I don't get why Manchin is that worried about money. It's not like the poverty stricken state he and his fellow WV politicians have made and kept as a shithole full of revenue draining leeches on the rest of us, over the years, has had to pay for anything else in it's entire existence.

    It's like a cheap date getting pissed off at you for wanting to order steak when you can afford it.
    Because his donors dont want that level of spending

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    I don't get why Manchin is that worried about money. It's not like the poverty stricken state he and his fellow WV politicians have made and kept as a shithole full of revenue draining leeches on the rest of us, over the years, has had to pay for anything else in it's entire existence.

    It's like a cheap date getting pissed off at you for wanting to order steak when you can afford it.
    Can any of us really afford to be so casual with beef in this day and age though. Your date sounds cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    I don't get why Manchin is that worried about money. It's not like the poverty stricken state he and his fellow WV politicians have made and kept as a shithole full of revenue draining leeches on the rest of us, over the years, has had to pay for anything else in it's entire existence.

    It's like a cheap date getting pissed off at you for wanting to order steak when you can afford it.
    He's fulfilling his purpose within the Democratic party and the wider political system. Jump on a grenade and take all the heat for destroying popular things the ruling class really don't want to do but need to appear to be doing to keep up the kayfabe of democracy in America

    With Lieberman it was the public option, now it's climate, paid leave, and childcare that Manchin and Sinema have come for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    I don't get why Manchin is that worried about money. It's not like the poverty stricken state he and his fellow WV politicians have made and kept as a shithole full of revenue draining leeches on the rest of us, over the years, has had to pay for anything else in it's entire existence.

    It's like a cheap date getting pissed off at you for wanting to order steak when you can afford it.
    Can any of us really afford to be so casual with beef in this day and age though. Your date sounds cool.
    Thank you for your sacrifice, citizen. *flies away on a private jet*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
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    I don't get why Manchin is that worried about money. It's not like the poverty stricken state he and his fellow WV politicians have made and kept as a shithole full of revenue draining leeches on the rest of us, over the years, has had to pay for anything else in it's entire existence.

    It's like a cheap date getting pissed off at you for wanting to order steak when you can afford it.
    Can any of us really afford to be so casual with beef in this day and age though. Your date sounds cool.
    Yes.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post

    Thank you for your sacrifice, citizen. *flies away on a private jet*
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    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
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    Biden approval in the shitter with most voters think he isnt getting enough done. Good work Manchin and Sinema
    That's not what the polls show. Biden's approval rating took a sharp turn after the Afghanistan debacle, then kept diving as delta variant spread. People are worried about inflation, and Biden's vaccine mandates for employment are deeply unpopular in many places. Very little to do with Manchin and Sinema.
    https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...most-important

    Economy is people's biggest issue. Biden's two economic measures have been held up and whittled down by Manchin and Sinema
    The people who say the economy is the biggest issue are not the same people who want those bills to pass in their original forms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by August View Post
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    Biden approval in the shitter with most voters think he isnt getting enough done. Good work Manchin and Sinema
    That's not what the polls show. Biden's approval rating took a sharp turn after the Afghanistan debacle, then kept diving as delta variant spread. People are worried about inflation, and Biden's vaccine mandates for employment are deeply unpopular in many places. Very little to do with Manchin and Sinema.
    https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...most-important

    Economy is people's biggest issue. Biden's two economic measures have been held up and whittled down by Manchin and Sinema
    The people who say the economy is the biggest issue are not the same people who want those bills to pass in their original forms.
    You're just doing the same sleight of hand the media does when dipshit Senators cause paralysis in Congress. You substitute the personal, pro-donor politics of the politician for the people who elected them and they now ignore. The provisions (paid leave, drug price negotiation) that got killed by them are popular even in their home states.

    MSM turned it into a personal drama of "What does Manchin want" instead of serving the public by asking what the voting public wanted in these two states. But that's all by design isn't it

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    Most of the right want some form of social safety and economic fairness as well but their leadership doesn't reflect them just like the Dems don't reflect the values and wishes of the left.

    Good system overall tho, excellent network of crypt keepers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
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    Biden approval in the shitter with most voters think he isnt getting enough done. Good work Manchin and Sinema
    That's not what the polls show. Biden's approval rating took a sharp turn after the Afghanistan debacle, then kept diving as delta variant spread. People are worried about inflation, and Biden's vaccine mandates for employment are deeply unpopular in many places. Very little to do with Manchin and Sinema.
    https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...most-important

    Economy is people's biggest issue. Biden's two economic measures have been held up and whittled down by Manchin and Sinema
    The people who say the economy is the biggest issue are not the same people who want those bills to pass in their original forms.
    You're just doing the same sleight of hand the media does when dipshit Senators cause paralysis in Congress. You substitute the personal, pro-donor politics of the politician for the people who elected them and they now ignore. The provisions (paid leave, drug price negotiation) that got killed by them are popular even in their home states.

    MSM turned it into a personal drama of "What does Manchin want" instead of serving the public by asking what the voting public wanted in these two states. But that's all by design isn't it
    Its more like a toddler trying to hide the theft of a cookie, as opposed to actual sleight of hand...
    meh

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    Not becoming a terrorist to own the libs!
    How tired it makes me feel to observe that this is actually progress.
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    And btw, you're such a fucking asshole it genuinely amazes me on a regular basis how you manage to function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Coutu View Post
    Most of the right want some form of social safety and economic fairness as well but their leadership doesn't reflect them just like the Dems don't reflect the values and wishes of the left.

    Good system overall tho, excellent network of crypt keepers.
    Most of the right want socialism for them and the gutter for the libs, coloured and freaks.
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    And btw, you're such a fucking asshole it genuinely amazes me on a regular basis how you manage to function.

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    A secret tape made after Columbine shows the NRA's evolution on school shootings: https://www.npr.org/2021/11/09/10490...hool-shootings

    Soon after the Columbine High School shooting in 1999, senior leaders of the National Rifle Association huddled on a conference call to consider canceling their annual convention, scheduled just days later and a few miles away.

    Thirteen people lay dead at a high school in Colorado. More than 20 were injured. Images of students running from the school were looped on TV. The NRA strategists on the call sounded shaken and panicked as they pondered their next step into what would become an era of routine and horrific mass school shootings.

    And in those private moments, the NRA considered a strikingly more sympathetic posture toward mass shootings than the uncompromising stance it has taken publicly in the decades since, even considering a $1 million fund to care for the victims.

    NPR has obtained more than 2 1/2 hours of recordings of those private meetings after the Columbine shooting, which offer unique insight into the NRA's deliberations in the wake of this crisis — and how it has struggled to develop what has become its standard response to school shootings ever since.

    "Everything we do here has a downside," NRA official Kayne Robinson says on the tapes. "Don't anybody kid yourself about this great macho thing of going down there and showing our chest and showing how damn tough we are. ... We are in deep s*** on this deal. ... And so anything we do here is going to be a matter of trying to decide the best of a whole bunch of very, very bad choices."

    The tapes of the NRA discussions were recorded secretly by a participant and shared on the condition that the participant's name not be divulged. NPR has taken steps to verify the tapes' authenticity, including by confirming the identities of those speaking on the tapes with two sources and comparing the voices on the calls with publicly available audio.

    In addition to mapping out their national strategy, NRA leaders can also be heard describing the organization's more activist members in surprisingly harsh terms, deriding them as "hillbillies" and "fruitcakes" who might go off script after Columbine and embarrass them.

    And they dismiss conservative politicians and gun industry representatives as largely inconsequential players, saying they will do whatever the NRA proposes. Members of Congress, one participant says, have asked the NRA to "secretly provide them with talking points."

    Asked for comment, a current NRA spokesperson said, "It is disappointing that anyone would promote an editorial agenda against the NRA by using shadowy sources and 'mystery tapes' in order to conjure up the tragic events of over 20 years ago."

    The Columbine shooting in Littleton, Colo., was at the time the deadliest school shooting since the late 1960s, threatening to provide a tragic backdrop to the NRA's previously scheduled annual convention in Denver. Billboards advertising a "World Class Guns & Gear Expo" already peppered the city. Meanwhile, hate mail began arriving at the NRA's offices.

    .....

    The strategists ultimately decided that canceling their convention would deny them a platform to respond to criticism and also that a cancellation would be an opportunity for attacks by the national media.

    Hammer, a longtime NRA lobbyist who once served as its president, weighs in with an unyielding view. She tells LaPierre that even if they don't lose money, they would lose face if they canceled.

    "You have to go forward," she says. "For NRA to scrap this and the amount of money that we have spent ..."

    "We have meeting insurance," LaPierre replies.

    "Screw the insurance," says Hammer. "The message that it will send is that even the NRA was brought to its knees, and the media will have a field day with it."

    ......

    The tapes also show that the NRA was shaken by the negative press following the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, which targeted the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms and other federal agencies. A week before that bombing, the NRA put out a fundraising letter calling the ATF "jackbooted government thugs," and after the bombing, LaPierre had defended this rhetoric.

    In the ensuing firestorm, former Republican President George H.W. Bush publicly resigned as an NRA member in protest. This led to an exodus of some half a million members — a number that has never been reported prior to now.

    "What we're trying to avoid here, I think, is what happened after the Oklahoma City bombing," says PR adviser McQueen. "When we lost control of a situation and the result was a half a million members, the president of the United States bailing out on us and a firestorm of negative media that if you went back and looked at, it was probably in the hundreds of millions of dollars in opposition to us and our point of view."

    "And I think this will be worse," responds Baker.

    Baker can also be heard telling others not to worry about the stance of the firearms industry. While some critics of the NRA claim that the organization is beholden to the firearms industry, NRA leaders on the call claimed the opposite — that the industry was ready and willing to follow their lead. Like in this exchange:

    MAKRIS: Jim, let me ask you a question. ... What's the industry going to do?

    BAKER: I think the industry will do whatever we ask them to do.

    LAPIERRE: Do you think they have a preference, Jim? Is there anybody we ought to be talking to?

    BAKER: I talked to Delfay this morning, and he said they stand ready to help us orchestrate whatever we want to do. They're just waiting to know.

    Robert Delfay was the head of an industry trade group.
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    Dipshit rep, anime, idpol and just amazing shit all around.

    I can barely stay sober anymore lol. People still dying and things are getting uh, interesting. Glad "governing" is still going on and we're focused on the important issues in this country.

    It really is worth a whole watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkaday View Post
    Dipshit rep, anime, idpol and just amazing shit all around.

    I can barely stay sober anymore lol. People still dying and things are getting uh, interesting. Glad "governing" is still going on and we're focused on the important issues in this country.

    It really is worth a whole watch.
    Reeeeeee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
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    A secret tape made after Columbine shows the NRA's evolution on school shootings: https://www.npr.org/2021/11/09/10490...hool-shootings

    Soon after the Columbine High School shooting in 1999, senior leaders of the National Rifle Association huddled on a conference call to consider canceling their annual convention, scheduled just days later and a few miles away.

    Thirteen people lay dead at a high school in Colorado. More than 20 were injured. Images of students running from the school were looped on TV. The NRA strategists on the call sounded shaken and panicked as they pondered their next step into what would become an era of routine and horrific mass school shootings.

    And in those private moments, the NRA considered a strikingly more sympathetic posture toward mass shootings than the uncompromising stance it has taken publicly in the decades since, even considering a $1 million fund to care for the victims.

    NPR has obtained more than 2 1/2 hours of recordings of those private meetings after the Columbine shooting, which offer unique insight into the NRA's deliberations in the wake of this crisis — and how it has struggled to develop what has become its standard response to school shootings ever since.

    "Everything we do here has a downside," NRA official Kayne Robinson says on the tapes. "Don't anybody kid yourself about this great macho thing of going down there and showing our chest and showing how damn tough we are. ... We are in deep s*** on this deal. ... And so anything we do here is going to be a matter of trying to decide the best of a whole bunch of very, very bad choices."

    The tapes of the NRA discussions were recorded secretly by a participant and shared on the condition that the participant's name not be divulged. NPR has taken steps to verify the tapes' authenticity, including by confirming the identities of those speaking on the tapes with two sources and comparing the voices on the calls with publicly available audio.

    In addition to mapping out their national strategy, NRA leaders can also be heard describing the organization's more activist members in surprisingly harsh terms, deriding them as "hillbillies" and "fruitcakes" who might go off script after Columbine and embarrass them.

    And they dismiss conservative politicians and gun industry representatives as largely inconsequential players, saying they will do whatever the NRA proposes. Members of Congress, one participant says, have asked the NRA to "secretly provide them with talking points."

    Asked for comment, a current NRA spokesperson said, "It is disappointing that anyone would promote an editorial agenda against the NRA by using shadowy sources and 'mystery tapes' in order to conjure up the tragic events of over 20 years ago."

    The Columbine shooting in Littleton, Colo., was at the time the deadliest school shooting since the late 1960s, threatening to provide a tragic backdrop to the NRA's previously scheduled annual convention in Denver. Billboards advertising a "World Class Guns & Gear Expo" already peppered the city. Meanwhile, hate mail began arriving at the NRA's offices.

    .....

    The strategists ultimately decided that canceling their convention would deny them a platform to respond to criticism and also that a cancellation would be an opportunity for attacks by the national media.

    Hammer, a longtime NRA lobbyist who once served as its president, weighs in with an unyielding view. She tells LaPierre that even if they don't lose money, they would lose face if they canceled.

    "You have to go forward," she says. "For NRA to scrap this and the amount of money that we have spent ..."

    "We have meeting insurance," LaPierre replies.

    "Screw the insurance," says Hammer. "The message that it will send is that even the NRA was brought to its knees, and the media will have a field day with it."

    ......

    The tapes also show that the NRA was shaken by the negative press following the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, which targeted the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms and other federal agencies. A week before that bombing, the NRA put out a fundraising letter calling the ATF "jackbooted government thugs," and after the bombing, LaPierre had defended this rhetoric.

    In the ensuing firestorm, former Republican President George H.W. Bush publicly resigned as an NRA member in protest. This led to an exodus of some half a million members — a number that has never been reported prior to now.

    "What we're trying to avoid here, I think, is what happened after the Oklahoma City bombing," says PR adviser McQueen. "When we lost control of a situation and the result was a half a million members, the president of the United States bailing out on us and a firestorm of negative media that if you went back and looked at, it was probably in the hundreds of millions of dollars in opposition to us and our point of view."

    "And I think this will be worse," responds Baker.

    Baker can also be heard telling others not to worry about the stance of the firearms industry. While some critics of the NRA claim that the organization is beholden to the firearms industry, NRA leaders on the call claimed the opposite — that the industry was ready and willing to follow their lead. Like in this exchange:

    MAKRIS: Jim, let me ask you a question. ... What's the industry going to do?

    BAKER: I think the industry will do whatever we ask them to do.

    LAPIERRE: Do you think they have a preference, Jim? Is there anybody we ought to be talking to?

    BAKER: I talked to Delfay this morning, and he said they stand ready to help us orchestrate whatever we want to do. They're just waiting to know.

    Robert Delfay was the head of an industry trade group.
    Speaking of the NRA, renowned russian honeypot and all-round "totally not an FSB asset" swell gal Martina Burtina has been elected to the Duma after spending time in US federal prison lmao.

    I think the movie industry should just give up and quit, reality has outpaced it.

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    Dipshit rep, anime, idpol and just amazing shit all around.

    I can barely stay sober anymore lol. People still dying and things are getting uh, interesting. Glad "governing" is still going on and we're focused on the important issues in this country.

    It really is worth a whole watch.
    Reeeeeee
    Last edited by Arkaday; November 25 2021 at 11:09:34 PM.

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    Apparently alt-right accounts abuse pictures from Merkel's (done for every leaving chancellor) offical farewell ceremony ("Großer Zapfenstreich" to spin some kind of fascist mandatory-vaccination propaganda...


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