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    no idea about china's military, but they (literally) move mountains when they decide to go all in on something. I can see those lunatics building a land bridge to Taiwan >_<

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    "I don't want to get vaccinated/give birth because the government tells me I must do it. My body my choice"

    The principle is the same

    Easy

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    Not giving birth isn’t hurting the community around you. Not getting vaccinated is, and that makes those people anti-social, selfish assholes.
    meh

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    Not giving birth does hurt the community as declining birth rates will fuck the economy hard. In this interconnected world, every single thing you do has an effect on the community. RIP.

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    What if that child that wasn't aborted grows up to become a GOP Senator? Other peoples' children can hurt you too.

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    Screening tests on babies to determine fitness for society. Gattaca was too early.

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    Eventually, because of the decline, "clones" will happen. In the sci-fi sense not biological, like picking random gametes from non-related donors and manually fertilising to create new productive members of the society.

    And in principle, I have absolutely no issue with that - as long as all the rights and duties are the same as traditional people. Which is the real issue. Because for that to be true, then ihneritance is to be abandoned... And even traditional parenting could be a source of differences of treatment. Naturals and "clone" babies should be randomly distributed among willing parents for real fairness... Which wouldn't ever happen. The alternative is that it can become yet another source of discrimination.

    One way or the other it will happen.
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    Just allowing more immigration seems a lot easier...

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    But then theyd be foreigners

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankunytjatjara View Post
    Eventually, because of the decline, "clones" will happen. In the sci-fi sense not biological, like picking random gametes from non-related donors and manually fertilising to create new productive members of the society.

    And in principle, I have absolutely no issue with that - as long as all the rights and duties are the same as traditional people. Which is the real issue. Because for that to be true, then ihneritance is to be abandoned... And even traditional parenting could be a source of differences of treatment. Naturals and "clone" babies should be randomly distributed among willing parents for real fairness... Which wouldn't ever happen. The alternative is that it can become yet another source of discrimination.

    One way or the other it will happen.
    That makes no sense. Clones are a long way of and the great demographic bottleneck has already started. At the very best it will be 10 years for clones, then 20 years until those clones are ready to go into the workforce. By that time most of the old farts would have croaked. Better to steal some babies from the Uygurs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evil edna View Post
    But then theyd be foreigners
    good, makes them a more exploitable workforce that nobody will stick up for.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by evil edna View Post
    But then theyd be foreigners
    good, makes them a more exploitable workforce that nobody will stick up for.
    Looking at the strikes all around north/west europe i disagree. Its a very new thing but the normal foreigner jobs like baggage handler at airports, cleaning industry, transportation, agriculture have all seen strikes and/or hard negotiations by unions. Also a new thing the last years, basicly since covid, unions doing their job for all workers not the old white close to retirement farts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacul View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Yankunytjatjara View Post
    Eventually, because of the decline, "clones" will happen. In the sci-fi sense not biological, like picking random gametes from non-related donors and manually fertilising to create new productive members of the society.

    And in principle, I have absolutely no issue with that - as long as all the rights and duties are the same as traditional people. Which is the real issue. Because for that to be true, then ihneritance is to be abandoned... And even traditional parenting could be a source of differences of treatment. Naturals and "clone" babies should be randomly distributed among willing parents for real fairness... Which wouldn't ever happen. The alternative is that it can become yet another source of discrimination.

    One way or the other it will happen.
    That makes no sense. Clones are a long way of and the great demographic bottleneck has already started. At the very best it will be 10 years for clones, then 20 years until those clones are ready to go into the workforce. By that time most of the old farts would have croaked. Better to steal some babies from the Uygurs.
    Except that it makes perfect sense if you are familiar with Battletech, because this is literally the Clans' trueborn program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sacul View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Yankunytjatjara View Post
    Eventually, because of the decline, "clones" will happen. In the sci-fi sense not biological, like picking random gametes from non-related donors and manually fertilising to create new productive members of the society.

    And in principle, I have absolutely no issue with that - as long as all the rights and duties are the same as traditional people. Which is the real issue. Because for that to be true, then ihneritance is to be abandoned... And even traditional parenting could be a source of differences of treatment. Naturals and "clone" babies should be randomly distributed among willing parents for real fairness... Which wouldn't ever happen. The alternative is that it can become yet another source of discrimination.

    One way or the other it will happen.
    That makes no sense. Clones are a long way of and the great demographic bottleneck has already started. At the very best it will be 10 years for clones, then 20 years until those clones are ready to go into the workforce. By that time most of the old farts would have croaked. Better to steal some babies from the Uygurs.
    Except that it makes perfect sense if you are familiar with Battletech, because this is literally the Clans' trueborn program.
    Fuuu, all the crap, but still no walking multiton machines of death. Same with flying cars and whatever else came from the 80s. Turns out they were right about everything bad and hugely optimistic about things that were supposed to turn out ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by August View Post
    Not giving birth does hurt the community as declining birth rates will fuck the economy hard. In this interconnected world, every single thing you do has an effect on the community. RIP.
    Only in a capitalist world.

    1) In this day and age of climate change anyone still deciding to have kids must really hate them. They will suffer a very miserable life. And the resource wars haven't even begun.
    2) The world is better of with especially fewer of us resource-consuming westerners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by August View Post
    Not giving birth does hurt the community as declining birth rates will fuck the economy hard. In this interconnected world, every single thing you do has an effect on the community. RIP.
    Only in a capitalist world.

    1) In this day and age of climate change anyone still deciding to have kids must really hate them. They will suffer a very miserable life. And the resource wars haven't even begun.
    2) The world is better of with especially fewer of us resource-consuming westerners.
    Jesus...There's so much wrong with those statements I don't even know where to begin with.

    Ponder the picture you're painting. Would you say that with straight face to people with families? And people wonder what's causing the sudden surge in popularity of alt right movements...You're acting like poster boy lefty of alt-right propaganda. Would you care to take a step forward and say that those resources etc should be left to be utilized by african/asian ethnic populations? Cause that's what you're implying. It's like you internalized all the white genocide bullshit they keep spining.

    This is not the way for humanity to move forward as a whole. We can do better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufuske View Post
    This is not the way for humanity to move forward as a whole. We can do better.
    Not with capitalist hegemony. Unless you're living in a totally make believe world where suddenly everything turns out okay and somehow 4 degrees global warming has no impact at all.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rufuske View Post
    This is not the way for humanity to move forward as a whole. We can do better.
    Not with capitalist hegemony. Unless you're living in a totally make believe world where suddenly everything turns out okay and somehow 4 degrees global warming has no impact at all.
    Ditch the whole capitalist hegemony and you'll find we both agree things need to change. And they need to change fast. Hell, quite likely we can pinpoint same areas (finance, banking, corporations etc). Once people drop divisive rhetoric, we just may see some progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufuske View Post
    And they need to change fast. Hell, quite likely we can pinpoint same areas (finance, banking, corporations etc). Once people drop divisive rhetoric, we just may see some progress.
    It's not divisive rhetoric lmao. Capitalist hegemony is a basic definition/description of what modern finance, banking and corporations are and the obstacles that prevent progress. If banking, finance and corporations changed for the better, it would be the end of the existing hegemony (literally ditching the capitalist hegemony and the dominant legitimised norms of economic orthodoxy). Why do you hate words with meanings?
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rufuske View Post
    And they need to change fast. Hell, quite likely we can pinpoint same areas (finance, banking, corporations etc). Once people drop divisive rhetoric, we just may see some progress.
    It's not divisive rhetoric lmao. Capitalist hegemony is a basic definition/description of what modern finance, banking and corporations are and the obstacles that prevent progress. If banking, finance and corporations changed for the better, it would be the end of the existing hegemony (literally ditching the capitalist hegemony and the dominant legitimised norms of economic orthodoxy). Why do you hate words with meanings?
    Because what's actually happening with previously mentioned have nothing to do with capitalism at all. It's a perverted form of socialism, only for the select few beneficiaries. Eg if you're an investment bank that fucks up so bad it almost derails entire world financial system, you shouldn't be getting handouts financed by capital collected from the 'poors' (huge quotation marks as it means anyone without means to avoid paying any taxes by abusing tax heavens) or money printing. In capitalism you would go bankrupt and someone else would take place to fill the void you left.
    In current system FED or your local version of it will print enough or you'll get injection from country's budget financed by taxes and you're off for spa holidays to take care of the stress you have been subjected to.

    Why do you not see what you would like 'capitalism' to change to is already here with a huge caveat - you're not benefiting from any of it.

    If you for example were to use something along the lines of corpooligarchy in your statement - I would be 100% onboard.
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