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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Coutu View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kai View Post
    The mass pardoning thing is interesting.

    My understanding is that the President can only pardon federal crimes? Right?
    Correct and Trump is currently the target of a few states AG's and cannot pardon himself for crimes he's not yet convicted of, so of they are smart (they aren't) they'll wait and get him after the States file claims against him
    This is not correct. The president can pardon for any federal crimes even if charges have not been drawn, such as when Ford pardoned Nixon who had not been charged.

    Source: https://abalegalfactcheck.com/articles/pardons.html

    The legal record is also clear that a president can pardon for a presumptive crime, like what then-President Gerald Ford did with his predecessor Richard Nixon on Sept. 8, 1974. In the aftermath of Watergate, Ford gave Nixon, who resigned from the presidency a month earlier, an “absolute pardon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from Jan. 20, 1969 through Aug. 9, 1974.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Coutu View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kai View Post
    The mass pardoning thing is interesting.

    My understanding is that the President can only pardon federal crimes? Right?
    Correct and Trump is currently the target of a few states AG's and cannot pardon himself for crimes he's not yet convicted of, so of they are smart (they aren't) they'll wait and get him after the States file claims against him
    This is not correct. The president can pardon for any federal crimes even if charges have not been drawn, such as when Ford pardoned Nixon who had not been charged.

    Source: https://abalegalfactcheck.com/articles/pardons.html

    The legal record is also clear that a president can pardon for a presumptive crime, like what then-President Gerald Ford did with his predecessor Richard Nixon on Sept. 8, 1974. In the aftermath of Watergate, Ford gave Nixon, who resigned from the presidency a month earlier, an “absolute pardon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from Jan. 20, 1969 through Aug. 9, 1974.”
    States crimes are NOT federal crimes though.

    If NYC (or Cali) charges him, there is fuck all they can do to pardon him.

    Have to find a friendly governor.
    meh

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    My pick: Biden 345 Trump 193

    Various protests and right wing violence suppresses turn out for both sides election day, but few major incidents. Some arrests and shootings.

    Trump whines about the accuracy of the results, but it is too great of a landslide to make a difference. Leaves office two weeks early, so the position is briefly vacant.
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    Biden 279 Trump 258

    Significant and widespread voter suppression on the day through militia threats of violence.

    Sporadic violence after, with quite a few ballots not counted, for specious reasons, in several traditionally red states (e.g. Georgia, Wisconsin, N Carolina - all going to Trump on dubious grounds.)

    Trump whines and whines, but is ultimately forced out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totally Not Larkonnis View Post
    Putin rejects Donald Trump's criticism of Biden family business
    MOSCOW*(Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Sunday that he saw nothing criminal in Hunter Biden's past business ties with Ukraine or Russia, marking out his disagreement with one of Donald Trump's attack lines in the U.S. presidential election.
    What D of chess is this?
    It's pretty standard 2-D chess. Putin still wins if Trump loses provided that Trump stirs up enough trouble on his way out. The only failure condition is if Trump accepts a Biden victory gracefully and calls on the nation to unite behind the new administration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
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    Putin rejects Donald Trump's criticism of Biden family business
    MOSCOW*(Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Sunday that he saw nothing criminal in Hunter Biden's past business ties with Ukraine or Russia, marking out his disagreement with one of Donald Trump's attack lines in the U.S. presidential election.
    What D of chess is this?
    It's pretty standard 2-D chess. Putin still wins if Trump loses provided that Trump stirs up enough trouble on his way out. The only failure condition is if Trump accepts a Biden victory gracefully and calls on the nation to unite behind the new administration.
    To me its much simpler and straight forward; Putin supporting Biden is a play that in doing so it will look bad for Mr. B and Trump can go "look, look, looooook. I told you, I have no russia friends but clearly Biden has - INTERFERENCE PROVED!"
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    Winner: Trump

    Electoral College Result: Overwhelming landslide of 538-0

    Violence Level Post-Election: Planet-wide armageddon levels of destruction including nuclear holocaust, alien intervention and demonic invasions.

    Does Trump leave office willingly if he loses: Trick question, Trump will ascend to the golden throne of God-Emperor and lead humanity on a new crusade to destroy the enemy in an unstoppable machine of conquest. CNN will downplay this as "xenophobic."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Coutu View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kai View Post
    The mass pardoning thing is interesting.

    My understanding is that the President can only pardon federal crimes? Right?
    Correct and Trump is currently the target of a few states AG's and cannot pardon himself for crimes he's not yet convicted of, so of they are smart (they aren't) they'll wait and get him after the States file claims against him
    This is not correct. The president can pardon for any federal crimes even if charges have not been drawn, such as when Ford pardoned Nixon who had not been charged.

    Source: https://abalegalfactcheck.com/articles/pardons.html

    The legal record is also clear that a president can pardon for a presumptive crime, like what then-President Gerald Ford did with his predecessor Richard Nixon on Sept. 8, 1974. In the aftermath of Watergate, Ford gave Nixon, who resigned from the presidency a month earlier, an “absolute pardon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from Jan. 20, 1969 through Aug. 9, 1974.”
    Little harder when you've committed so many crimes they can barely keep track of them all and your opponent isn't in the same party as you. Hope they pack the court ASAP to make sure he can't use it to excuse a self pardon. Better yet they could just say fuck that no and arrest him anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaztick View Post
    Winner: Trump

    Electoral College Result: Overwhelming landslide of 538-0

    Violence Level Post-Election: Planet-wide armageddon levels of destruction including nuclear holocaust, alien intervention and demonic invasions.

    Does Trump leave office willingly if he loses: Trick question, Trump will ascend to the golden throne of God-Emperor and lead humanity on a new crusade to destroy the enemy in an unstoppable machine of conquest. CNN will downplay this as "xenophobic."
    We can only hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaztick View Post
    Winner: Trump

    Electoral College Result: Overwhelming landslide of 538-0

    Violence Level Post-Election: Planet-wide armageddon levels of destruction including nuclear holocaust, alien intervention and demonic invasions.

    Does Trump leave office willingly if he loses: Trick question, Trump will ascend to the golden throne of God-Emperor and lead humanity on a new crusade to destroy the enemy in an unstoppable machine of conquest. CNN will downplay this as "xenophobic."
    Schopenhauer:

    All truth passes through three stages.
    First, it is ridiculed.
    Second, it is violently opposed.
    Third, it is accepted as being self-evident..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaztick View Post
    Winner: Trump

    Electoral College Result: Overwhelming landslide of 538-0

    Violence Level Post-Election: Planet-wide armageddon levels of destruction including nuclear holocaust, alien intervention and demonic invasions.

    Does Trump leave office willingly if he loses: Trick question, Trump will ascend to the golden throne of God-Emperor and lead humanity on a new crusade to destroy the enemy in an unstoppable machine of conquest. CNN will downplay this as "xenophobic."
    Based


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    Soon the true form of this thread will be revealed, just a few posts more for the proper page!

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    Are we there yet?

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    No point in trying to achieve the snipe because at least one mod will try and claim it for themselves...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Totally Not Larkonnis View Post
    No point in trying to achieve the snipe because at least one mod will try and claim it for themselves...

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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
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    No point in trying to achieve the snipe because at least one mod will try and claim it for themselves...
    CONSPIRACY

    ed FUCK STILL DIDN'T GET IT

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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
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    Everything that has happened before will happen again...


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    Meh.
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