School bully unintentionally takes dinner money from five pupils and punches another - https://newsthump.com/2020/11/20/sch...nches-another/
Priti Patel is not a bully and we shouldn’t throw around accusations, says trembling official wearing large sunglasses indoors - https://newsthump.com/2020/11/20/pri...asses-indoors/
WHY THE FUCKING OBSESSION WITH A TINY PISSANT MIDDLE EASTERN STATE COMMITTING WAR CRIMES SURROUNDED BY DOZENS OF OTHERS WHO ARE JUST AS FUCKING BAD IF NOT WORSE? You can't win elections on foreign policy but you certainly can lose them on anti-semitism. The Israel obsession in the labour party is either the most self-defeating, shoot-in-foot moronic own goal of all time, or else they actually are filled with anti-semites.
Does it really matter which, anyway? Complete fucking morons either way.
STFU about Israel and get even 50% as incensed about, oh, I don't know, how about domestic inequality, corporate welfare and tax fraud, government mismanagement of public sector industry or the fucking environmental catastrophe which is slowly destroying the world?
Nah lets elect people who casually sling around words like 'apatheid' to the NEC and reject the findings of the independent commission we fucking called for in the first place...
Nah lets elect people who casually sling around words like pikkerninny to the position of PM while falsely demonising the only opposition leader in 15 years who actually had desires to curtail the powers of the banks and corporations, wanted to invest in public sector and seemed to actually show a bit of fucking humanity. All because he had the brass balls to call out the darling of the status quo, Israel for being a modern regional superpower committing genocide in broad daylight.
Thats some mental gymnastics right there
The people that vote for the piccaninny-slinger like that he used that word.Originally Posted by Duckslayer
meh
Let’s not venerate the guy that’s done incalculable damage to the party?
The party that didn't manage to win shit even before him anymore? The party that even before that fucked things so much they set the groundwork for what was to happen after? That amazing party?
Yes, that one. The only other one.The party that didn't manage to win shit even before him anymore? The party that even before that fucked things so much they set the groundwork for what was to happen after? That amazing party?
He could have done all of that if he had just wound his fucking neck in. But he didnt. And he still cant. And he seems DETERMINED to drive his party into the ground just so he can never admit any fault whatsoever and can keep defending colleagues, and share platforms with people, who BLATENTLY HATE JEWS.
And the worst part is he has brainwashed people like you into thinking this tradeoff is somehow worth it. That we can shrug and go "oh well, its worth it that we dont get equality and a corporate recknoning and environmental repair, because it means comrade Corbyn never has to admit wrongdoing. Shame about world peace, but ultimately got to stick to your pride, sorry, I mean principles."
Remember kids - you never have to admit you have a problem if you can tie everyone up in semantics over the motivations of the people pointing your problem out.
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I would be a lot more ok with that if everyone who wasn't Corbyn wasn't a milquetoast neoliberal who's also absolutely fine ignoring structural issues that result in inequalities and at best promises to move the margins of said inequalities a bit.
It's the policies. Give me someone else with his policies. Starmer was supposed to be that man, but he's walked back on pretty much all of his 10 pledges in less than a year since taking office.
'I'm pro life. I'm a non-smoker. I'm a pro-life non-smoker. WOO, Let the party begin!'
The party that would be 20 points ahead of the Tories if anyone but Corbyn was leading it?The party that didn't manage to win shit even before him anymore? The party that even before that fucked things so much they set the groundwork for what was to happen after? That amazing party?
I strongly doubt the next labour manifesto will look any different to the Corbyn manifesto
Your policies are pretty safe I'd say now that the EU membership is lost
Poland treats me like shit and I hate them as a result of it
The policys were popular, the leadership personality and the baggage that came with it wasn't. Which is Lalls point, clearly a hard thing for momentum to grasp.
They're not, though, and that's the thing.
Starmer or his team have walked back or failed to confirm when given opportunities on pretty much every single one of his 'ten pledges'.
Economic Justice including the 5% tax increase? Walked back on, with the shadow cabinet now saying they would need to "reassess" and will "look at any proposals the government puts forward".
https://www.politicshome.com/news/ar...overy-spending
https://leftfootforward.org/2020/09/...autumn-budget/
Peace and Human Rights? The fucking Overseas Operations Bill alone walks all over that.
Supporting Common Ownership? Oh look, here's Lisa Nandy rowing back on that very issue when asked.
Defend Migrant's Rights? The Labour Party is radio silence while Priti Patel runs around the country whipping up anger against 'activist lawyers' (or as I like to call them, lawyers) and 'illegal immigrants' (who aren't illegal).
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9682061.html
Stand Shoulder To Shoulder with Unions? Yeah that lasted a long time, what with Keir almost immediately taking an opposing position to the teacher's unions - a position, by the way, that has meant schools staying open even though they are one of the major infection sites in the pandemic.
Radical Devolution of Power, Wealth and Opportunity? Jury's out, but ask a Scotsman what they think of Labour, and you won't get an answer you like.
Equality? Well, unless you're trans, in which case Keir is going to ignore you because so sorry about all the hardship, bullying, victimisation and attacks you face, you're just not a vote winner. The party's been completely silent on the GRA discussion and chose not to get involved in Rosie Duffield's support of 'gender critical' groups. LGBT+ Labour has condemned her, and the leader's office has been entirely silent. Trans people have successfully sought asylum away from the UK in other nations due to the hostility they faced, and yet the Labour party is silent about the issue, for what reason I invite you to speculate.
Effective Opposition to the Tories? Well, he's good at PMQ's I guess, which precisely seven politics nerds care about. Or used to, because when Corbyn used to frequently whip Boris up and down the despatch box we were told it just wasn't important and nobody cares about it. Funny how things change. Even with that, he's managed to be boxed into positions by Boris at least twice - with the schools issue for one, and the Overseas Operations Bill for another. Alastair Campbell, hardly a Corbynite, took the time to write a Guardian article decrying his 'stand there and hold the government's coat no matter what' position six months back: https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rnment-starmer
Unite our party? Yeah, I can really taste all the uniting. We're really fucking drowning in a united party spirit when CLPs are barred from passing motions on things and the chair of Young Labour is censured because Young Labour members asked said chair to put a motion forward. The purging will continue until loyalty improves, I guess?
Listen, I voted for the bloke, even though my instinct said RLB, because I thought anyone linked too closely with Corbyn would be forever tainted by that, and Starmer appeared to Get It when it came to the policies. However, right now, to me, he's just another shiny suit with a focus grouped approach. A blank whiteboard with 'Electability' written on it in big letters. The problem is we had one of those, in Ed Miliband, and he returned 28% of the vote (2% less than Corbyn, and yes blah blah seats vs vote share I don't care, if a 30% result is worthy of so much introspection it amazes me how a 28% vote isn't), because when you stand there and say 'we support the government in whatever they're doing, but we would do it differently from them but we're not going to say how', the voters who like what the government are doing are just going to vote for them anyway, and the voters who don't like what the government are doing aren't going to vote for you because they don't believe you'll do things differently.
The Great Saint Blair understood this, as I've said a million times. He knew it was very important to make yourselves look like a completely different option than the Tories. Everyone who's tried to take his position since hasn't.
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'I'm pro life. I'm a non-smoker. I'm a pro-life non-smoker. WOO, Let the party begin!'
Alright these are fair points. Thanks for citing sources for your opinions. I broadly agree with you that it's all a bit milquetoast.
I agree that the focus from Starmer on the competence of the government rather than what it's trying to achieve leaves a sour taste when anything that comes out of Priti Patel's mouth should be viscerally offensive to anyone with a moral compass or a basic understanding of international obligation. I don't know if it leaves a sour taste in the mouths of voters though. They don't seem to have either of those things.
I would like to imagine that this is all treading water until the pandemic crisis is done with and Starmer's labour can oppose more rather than criticise. But I doubt it.
The point about the manifesto though. I'm still unconvinced, I don't know when the next election will be (I don't imagine Johnson will see the full term through) but there is time and the Corbyn manifesto will remain relevant I would imagine. It called for stimulus and that's really what's needed, popular with the party and now probably more popular than ever with the public now that Sunak has tried it and found it to be successful.
Poland treats me like shit and I hate them as a result of it
Reading between the lines the 'bullying' allegations against PP are coming from milquetoast civil servants being held to account by someone who's politics they don't like but don't want to challenge for fear of being called sexist and racist.
I don't have any problem imagining that she's horrific to work with
Poland treats me like shit and I hate them as a result of it
A former lobbyist for the alcohol and tobacco industries holding anybody to account is pretty fucking rich
Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.
Reading the lines makes it pretty clear that this is already a heavily "benefit of the doubt" report, and the person who wrote it quit his role when it was not acted upon.
Furthermore, the inquiry wasn't given access to at least one important witness.
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