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    The Panorama anti-Semitism reporter is now threatening to sue Corbyn.

    Corbyn supporters have since set up a legal fund, currently standing at £336k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
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    This cuts off the head and ensures it is a new story which is maybe in circulation until the weekend. By next week we can go back to watching the tories and their poor attempt at governing.
    This. It’ll be buried in all the other news by next week, following which Labour can get back to actually trying to win elections.
    Because there's no way that the Tories would bring this up every time they get into a spot of bother regarding their own racism.
    ur right, Starmer should’ve just done nothing

    Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post
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    This cuts off the head and ensures it is a new story which is maybe in circulation until the weekend. By next week we can go back to watching the tories and their poor attempt at governing.
    This. It’ll be buried in all the other news by next week, following which Labour can get back to actually trying to win elections.
    Because there's no way that the Tories would bring this up every time they get into a spot of bother regarding their own racism.
    ur right, Starmer should’ve just done nothing

    Lol
    I'm not saying that Starmer should have done nothing.

    I'm saying that the Tories will use this as a stick with which to beat Labour for a lot longer than a week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
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    This cuts off the head and ensures it is a new story which is maybe in circulation until the weekend. By next week we can go back to watching the tories and their poor attempt at governing.
    This. It’ll be buried in all the other news by next week, following which Labour can get back to actually trying to win elections.
    Because there's no way that the Tories would bring this up every time they get into a spot of bother regarding their own racism.
    ur right, Starmer should’ve just done nothing

    Lol
    I'm not saying that Starmer should have done nothing.

    I'm saying that the Tories will use this as a stick with which to beat Labour for a lot longer than a week.
    And I’m saying it will be ineffective given the volume of other news.

    In any event, Starmer basically gave Corbyn a loaded gun and Corbyn decided to shoot himself; there really wasn’t a choice here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
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    I wish they'd do similar investigations into the Tory Party.
    That would require the Tories to be held to the same standards of behaviour as decent human beings.
    Which, as we know, would be completely unfair.


    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post

    And I’m saying it will be ineffective given the volume of other news.

    In any event, Starmer basically gave Corbyn a loaded gun and Corbyn decided to shoot himself; there really wasn’t a choice here.
    Pretty much.
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    ...suck on the devices of the callow people...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodj Blake View Post
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    This cuts off the head and ensures it is a new story which is maybe in circulation until the weekend. By next week we can go back to watching the tories and their poor attempt at governing.
    This. It’ll be buried in all the other news by next week, following which Labour can get back to actually trying to win elections.
    Because there's no way that the Tories would bring this up every time they get into a spot of bother regarding their own racism.
    ur right, Starmer should’ve just done nothing

    Lol
    I'm not saying that Starmer should have done nothing.

    I'm saying that the Tories will use this as a stick with which to beat Labour for a lot longer than a week.
    In case you hadnt noticed the labour anti sematism has been used to beat labour for years now, this will at least draw a line under it and allow it to go away after one last round of beatings.

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    Kerry Ann Mendoza on the BBC trying to defend Corbyn by talking about shadowy "pro-Israel forces"

    They just don't fucking understand it, they never have.


    Poland treats me like shit and I hate them as a result of it

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    But what about the Jews?
    Quote Originally Posted by cucaldvida View Post
    ...suck on the devices of the callow people...

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    r/Labour having a fucking meltdown. Absolute scenes

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    So the Blairites finally managed to "win" and purge the Labour party of all the evil leftists? Days before full on no deal Brexit? Nice they have their priorities in place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dzajic View Post
    So the Blairites finally managed to "win" and purge the Labour party of all the evil leftists? Days before full on no deal Brexit? Nice they have their priorities in place.
    Starmer isn't a Blairite

    Labour didn't make Brexit happen

    Labour's opportunity to head off Brexit ended fucking years ago if it was ever there at all.


    Poland treats me like shit and I hate them as a result of it

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    Starmer is 100% a Blairite.

    Witness how he hasn't commented at all about the amount of public money the Tories are funnelling to private companies to waste in the name of Covid? He's not commenting because to him, that's Good. Private industry deserves public money.
    'I'm pro life. I'm a non-smoker. I'm a pro-life non-smoker. WOO, Let the party begin!'

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    *looks at clock

    It’s getting late, clearly Zekk’s been on the sauce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dzajic View Post
    So the Blairites finally managed to "win" and purge the Labour party of all the evil leftists? Days before full on no deal Brexit? Nice they have their priorities in place.
    Let's just just take a moment remember who's watch brexit happened under, and who abysmally failed to hold the tories to account over the years of subsequent windowlickingly incompetent shennanigans.
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    And btw, you're such a fucking asshole it genuinely amazes me on a regular basis how you manage to function.

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    Blasphemy against His Holiness, Saint Jeremy of Corbyn will not be tolerated in this house, especially during this most sacred of times as he martyrs himself.


    In related news, I was amused to see the Canary and others ranting on about KEIR STALIN going on PURGES and this is exactly why mandatory reselection should have been implemented to rid the Party of the enemies within, all without the slightest sense of self awareness or irony.
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    ...suck on the devices of the callow people...

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    This is sooo much like a Benny Hill show that I have to share it.

    Here is a question for you:
    If UK Co 'A' has 10 customs agents employed today, but all of them are poached by UK Co 'B' tomorrow.

    How many new customs agents UK has?
      Spoiler:
    Based on the UK gov: 10 new hires!


    After how many new hires subsidies shall the UK gov pay to UK Co 'B'?
      Spoiler:
    UK gov paid UK Co 'B' subsidies after the 10 new hires!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dzajic View Post
    So the Blairites finally managed to "win" and purge the Labour party of all the evil leftists? Days before full on no deal Brexit? Nice they have their priorities in place.
    Let's just just take a moment remember who's watch brexit happened under, and who abysmally failed to hold the tories to account over the years of subsequent windowlickingly incompetent shennanigans.
    Yes, he was such an abject failure at holding the government to account that the following defeats certainly didn't happen whille Corbyn was LotO (and these don't include all the times they pulled or watered down legislation in advance of a vote).

    Cameron

    9 March 2016 – A rebel amendment to the Enterprise Bill, removing clauses that would have allowed councils in England and Wales to extend Sunday opening hours, passed by 317–286.

    May

    18 October 2017: An Opposition Day motion from Labour calling for the rollout of Universal Credit to be paused was passed 299–0. This was the first Opposition Day debate on which Labour forced a division.

    29 November 2017: An Opposition Day motion from the Scottish National Party calling for the Government to improve transitional arrangements for women affected by increases to the state pension age was passed 288–0.

    13 December 2017: An amendment to the European Union (Withdrawal) Bill to give Parliament a "meaningful vote" on the final Brexit deal was passed 309–305

    28 March 2018: Two Opposition Day motions from Labour were passed after division: the first, on local government funding, was passed 238–0; the second, on police funding, was passed 203–0

    17 July 2018: A new clause submitted to the post-Brexit Trade Bill aiming to protect the links between the UK and the European Medicines Agency was passed 305–301

    4 December 2018: An Opposition motion finding Ministers in contempt of Parliament for not complying with the 13 November 2018 humble address was passed 311–293. This is the first time an entire Government, as opposed to an individual Minister, had been held in contempt of Parliament. A government amendment to refer the case to the Privileges Committee instead failed 307–311.

    4 December 2018: An amendment to the programme motion on the withdrawal agreement debate, to allow for the amendment of a mandatory government motion in the case the withdrawal agreement is defeated, was passed 321–293.

    11 December 2018: An emergency motion that "the House has considered" the decision by May to postpone the "meaningful vote", which was scheduled to be voted on that day, was rejected 0–299.

    8 January 2019: An amendment to the Finance Bill limiting the Government's powers in the event of a no-deal scenario was passed 303–296. This was the first recorded Government defeat on a Finance Bill since 1978.

    9 January 2019: A rebel amendment by Dominic Grieve to the programme motion for the debate on the EU withdrawal agreement, compelling the PM to respond within three days with an alternative plan if the Commons does not accept the Withdrawal Agreement, was passed 308–297

    15 January 2019: The motion under section 13(1)(b) of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 to approve the Brexit withdrawal agreement—otherwise known as the "meaningful vote"—was rejected 202–432. With an opposition majority of 230 votes, it was the largest defeat on a government motion in the era of universal suffrage, 64 votes more than the previous largest defeat when Prime Minister Ramsay MacDonald lost a confidence vote by 166 on 8 October 1924.

    29 January 2019: An amendment tabled by Caroline Spelman to May's statement on the defeat of her withdrawal agreement stating that the UK will not leave the EU without a withdrawal agreement was passed 318–310; this amendment is advisory in nature.

    14 February 2019: The Government "next steps" motion, seeking continued support for its approach to leaving the European Union, was defeated 258–303.

    12 March 2019: A second "meaningful vote" rejected the Withdrawal Agreement again, with a reduced majority of 242–391.

    13 March 2019: A non-binding amendment to the Government's motion in response to the second meaningful vote, categorically rejecting a no-deal Brexit under any circumstances, was passed 312–308. The motion as amended, and as a result opposed by the Government, was passed 321–278.

    26 March 2019: An amendment passed 329–302 to allow MPs to take control of parliamentary business on a Wednesday and therefore stage a series of "indicative votes" on which Brexit option MP's prefer. The motion itself as amended, and thus opposed by the government, passed 327–300.

    27 March 2019: A Business of the House motion to enable MPs to take control of the day's business and hold "indicative votes" on preferred Brexit options passed 331–287.

    29 March 2019: A hitherto unprecedented third "meaningful vote" rejected the Withdrawal Agreement once more, with a reduced majority of 286–344. The bill did not include the Political Declaration.

    1 April 2019: A Business of the House Motion, again enabling MPs to control the day's business for the purpose of a second round of indicative votes was passed 322–277.

    3 April 2019: The Government were defeated multiple times on the European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 5) Bill, also known as the "Cooper–Letwin Bill". A Business of the House Motion to enable Parliament to debate the bill was passed 312–311. In addition, there was one tied division—the first since 1993—in which the Government defeated an amendment on the business motion that would have scheduled a third round of "indicative votes" for 8 April; with the Speaker's casting vote, the Government won the vote 311–310. The second reading of the bill passed 315–310. An amendment that would allow the Government to consent to an extension proposed by the European Council without the agreement upon by the House was defeated 304–313. An amendment that would allow the Government to seek a withdrawal date without the agreement of the House was defeated 220–400. The third reading of the bill passed 313–312.

    19 June 2019: The Government were defeated twice on the Parliamentary Buildings (Restoration and Renewal) Bill. An amendment to prevent the practice of blacklisting employees or potential employees from employment was passed 211–132. An amendment to make sure that economic benefits from the Parliamentary building works are delivered across all nations and regions of the UK passed 203–117.

    9 July 2019: An amendment to the Northern Ireland (Executive Formation) Bill tabled by former Attorney General Dominic Grieve requiring the government to make fortnightly statements on its efforts to restore devolved government in Northern Ireland – and thus make prorogation of Parliament more difficult – was passed 294–293.

    18 July 2019: The Government was again defeated twice on the Northern Ireland (Executive Formation) Bill. An amendment tabled by Hilary Benn and Alistair Burt requiring the House of Commons to sit for five days following any fortnightly statement, even during a prorogation, was passed 315–274. The House of Commons accepted a House of Lords amendment to Dominic Grieve's amendment, further strengthening Parliament's power to sit despite prorogation, 315–273. In addition, three humble addresses were passed without division. Unlike Opposition Day motions, these are binding.

    1 November 2017: A humble address for a return from Labour intended to force the Government to furnish hitherto unpublished sectoral impact assessments to the Exiting the European Union Select Committee was passed without division. It later transpired that the impact assessments did not exist, despite assurances from Brexit Secretary David Davis that they had been created in excruciating detail.

    5 December 2017: A humble address for a return from Labour to force the Government to publish five project assessment reviews linked to Universal Credit was passed without division.

    13 November 2018: A humble address for a return from Labour to force the Government to publish the "full and final" legal advice regarding the Brexit withdrawal agreement was passed without division.

    Johnson

    3 September 2019: The Government was defeated 328–301 on an emergency debate motion on the European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 6) Bill that would force the government to request an extension to Brexit negotiations.

    4 September 2019: The second reading of the European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 6) Bill, mandating Johnson to seek an extension to the Brexit negotiations, passed 329–300. The third reading of the European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 6) Bill passed 327–299. A motion under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 calling for an early election failed 298–56, well short of the 434 required for such a motion to pass. Labour whipped its MPs to abstain, as the party wanted an election, but not before a no-deal Brexit had been prevented.

    9 September 2019: A humble address to force the government to publish documents regarding no-deal preparations under Operation Yellowhammer and correspondence regarding prorogation was passed 311–302. Another motion under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 calling for an early election failed 293–47, well short of the 434 required for such a motion to pass. Labour MPs again abstained.

    26 September 2019: A motion to recess Parliament during the Conservative Party Conference, after the prorogation of Parliament was declared void, was defeated 289–306. This was the first time that a major UK-wide party had failed to win a recess for party conference season.

    17 October 2019: An amendment to a government motion, extending the proposed Saturday sitting to debate the Brexit withdrawal agreement and allowing multiple amendments to be put to a vote, passed 287–275.

    19 October 2019: An amendment by Oliver Letwin withholding Parliament's approval for the Brexit withdrawal agreement until the necessary law has been passed to enact it, thereby requiring Boris Johnson to request an Article 50 extension until 31 January 2020 under the European Union (Withdrawal) (No.6) Bill, passed 322–306.

    22 October 2019: The government's programme motion, which would have provided only three days for the House of Commons to debate the Withdrawal Agreement Bill, was defeated 322–308.

    28 October 2019: A third motion under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 calling for an early election failed 299–70, well short of the 434 required for such a motion to pass.

    29 October 2019: An amendment by Stella Creasy to a Business of the House motion for an Early Parliamentary General Election bill to ensure that amendments to the bill could be submitted by MPs not acting on behalf of the Government passed 312–295. Furthermore, an opposition amendment to the European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 6) Bill on 4 September 2019, requiring that Parliament vote again on the withdrawal agreement negotiated by May, passed by default after the government failed to provide any tellers for the No lobby. Although this was officially a defeat for the government, political commentators speculated it was a deliberate attempt either to insert a wrecking amendment or to obscure the potential support for May's deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradox View Post
    Kerry Ann Mendoza on the BBC trying to defend Corbyn by talking about shadowy "pro-Israel forces"

    They just don't fucking understand it, they never have.
    They're totally incapable of picking the right battles.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post
    *looks at clock

    It’s getting late, clearly Zekk’s been on the sauce.
    Mate you're the only one who has ever live blogged taking coke anally on fhc discord. I bet you're bugled up to the eyeballs as you post this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post
    *looks at clock

    It’s getting late, clearly Zekk’s been on the sauce.
    Mate you're the only one who has ever live blogged taking coke anally on fhc discord. I bet you're bugled up to the eyeballs as you post this
    I just think having a go at a working class dude who has dedicated a large part of his life to public service for being in the pocket of “the corporations” is a pretty bizarre thing to do.

    Plenty to have a go at Starmer at, but what he said just seems weird.

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