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    You rarely use many M2's at the same time.
    There are PCIe cards that lets you add 2-4 drives on it.


    https://www.gigabyte.com/Solid-State...AIC-Adaptor#kf

    https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Co...16-GEN-4-CARD/
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    It's like you didn't actually read Malc's or my posts
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    M2s are the way and the light
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    Except they should be able to be easily mounted vertically like RAM (without a PCIe slot adapter)...
    If we're wanting to get away from 2.5" SSDs and their cable clutter, why would we want to then go to graphics-card-sized adapters when the actual M.2 form-factor is so much closer to DIMMs?

    PCIe x16 without riser cables as standard may be the crux of these mistakes. Just look how compact miniITX is without a card in that slot.
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    It is not possible to make a vertical mount like RAM without a lot of spaces between them due to the way they are slotted.
    And how much space will you allow between them, to make a standard? And does motherboards have enough room?


    And does motherboards have enough room available?
    This would mount them on the board, while the current solution puts them on top of the board.
    Also needs a socket and form factor that works with laptops.
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    Put the connector on the long edge, (SO)DIMMs manage it fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    Put the connector on the long edge, (SO)DIMMs manage it fine.
    And where would you put them to fit in properly? Dunno I don't see any real issue with the current setup.

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    Just jumping back to the dual rank on dual channel benefits, new benchmarks. Disregard fast RAM, just ensure dual ranked, install in correct slots for dual channel, play.
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    Do I want this:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sabrent-Roc...MX4X1F7VKBAV2C

    or this:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sabrent-Roc...W2S06JNSZKYBKT

    Or should I wait? Its a nice to have for me.

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    The Q is QLC, the previous is TLC. Q also has half the DRAM, and there's also different controllers (still PCIe3, not 4), etc. Probably not enough different to make a difference, if you need an extra 1TB storage, the Q is about the going rate for a regular quality 2.5" SSD per GB (~42/500GB), so not a bad usage of an NVMe slot.

    If you're using lots of fast storage professionally it's worth actually looking at benchmarks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    The Q is QLC, the previous is TLC. Q also has half the DRAM, and there's also different controllers (still PCIe3, not 4), etc. Probably not enough different to make a difference, if you need an extra 1TB storage, the Q is about the going rate for a regular quality 2.5" SSD per GB (~42/500GB), so not a bad usage of an NVMe slot.

    If you're using lots of fast storage professionally it's worth actually looking at benchmarks.
    I'm all about them games. haha

    I have an intel 660p right now (1TB) looking for a good addition to that for moe games.

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    Then the Q's it's more than enough, and for the next ~9hours about the best value for any NVMe, and even most SSDs. Only the PNY CS900 1TB 2.5" option seems better value at 76 with shipping atm.
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    Thinking about spending ~2k on a gaming machine, don't care if it's prebuilt or if I have to build it myself, to be shipped to Portugal. Any recommendations? Gonna be buying within the next couple of weeks.

    e: I'll need everything except for the keyboard
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    Also that didn't sound like abloo bloo to me, PM me and we can agree on a meeting spot and settle this with queensberry rules, that's a serious offer btw. I've been a member of this community since 2005 and i've never met a more toxic individual.

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    A very rough starting point would be this, 1909.99 atm. ~300 could be removed from it quite easily. The real questions are:

    What monitor and other peripherals do you want from the budget?
    Do you need Windows in it too?
    What case do you want?
    How much storage do you need now, and growth rate for ~18months time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    A very rough starting point would be this, 1909.99 atm. ~300 could be removed from it quite easily. The real questions are:

    What monitor and other peripherals do you want from the budget?
    Do you need Windows in it too?
    What case do you want?
    How much storage do you need now, and growth rate for ~18months time?
    144hz monitor
    Windows needed
    Don't care about the case
    1TB is fine, most of my shit is in the cloud anyways.
    I need all peripherals except keyboard.

    Discord hivemind has come up with this so far: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/3tLKqp

    e: parts updated
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    Also that didn't sound like abloo bloo to me, PM me and we can agree on a meeting spot and settle this with queensberry rules, that's a serious offer btw. I've been a member of this community since 2005 and i've never met a more toxic individual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    A very rough starting point would be this, 1909.99 atm. ~300 could be removed from it quite easily. The real questions are:

    What monitor and other peripherals do you want from the budget?
    Do you need Windows in it too?
    What case do you want?
    How much storage do you need now, and growth rate for ~18months time?
    Getting a zen 3 Ryzen CPU and a recently released graphics card (of any kind) is going to be tough in the next couple of weeks.

    It's only really possible if you camp out in a discord or telegram alert group and get one in a couple of minutes of them being listed.

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    The X570 mobo chipset came out ~1 year before the B550, so the latter should be more refined, and plenty if you don't need all the extras they tend to pack on the full ATX boards to justify them.

    That NZXT 510 case has issues, the front intake is a slim vent on the side, fans have to work harder and lose static pressure turning the airflow. Try find a mesh-fronted setup (e.g. P400A, 4000D Airflow, 500DX, O11 Air, etc), to let things run cooler & quieter.
    If you do get Zen3, you're probably best getting it 3600MT/s RAM, over 3200.

    For such monitors, I'd go check Hardware Unboxed's recent reviews of the competition (this linked one is for a P suffix version, higher Hz, possibly totall.
    The Dell S2721DGF is often on discount on their site, was 332 last week.

    Here's some suggested tweaks, but you'll get the best value if you can also shop the UK market, as there are clearly some differences in supply and pricing, some regional exclusing deals appearing already for RAM and SSDs.
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    I'll repeat, the NZXT only has issues *at its price point* because you keep linking the reviews of the high price models.

    The base model is absolutely excellent at its price point for what you get. Absolutely nobody should get the Elite or the i models though, they suck all of the d.

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    Um, that's the only mention search shows I've made of "NZXT" in this PC/Tech group of subforums, and you can't search "510"...
    You been busy on /r/buildmeapc/ recently too?
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    Much difference in dropping to a 5600X 3.7 instead of the 5800X 3.8?
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    It's 6cores vs 8cores. For gaming it performs almost as well across the board (sometimes better, sometimes games actually scale across all cores without crunching the thermal budget and limiting boosting). Sure, over the next 2+ years you might get more from the 8cores, but you're not likely to notice it much before then. Really the 5800X is for those also looking to do work that scales with it. The new consoles are 8core Zen2(+, slightly?), which 6core Zen3 rivals very closely, before even accounting for how their OS might reserve a core for utility.

    You also get a stock cooler with the 5600X, not the higher models. Though the Wraith Spire used to have a copper vapour chamber, but is now just solid aluminium iirc.

    There are recent benchmarks for all of this, and comparing to Zen2 8 cores.
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    I'm also using this for dev work too, does that change anything?
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    Also that didn't sound like abloo bloo to me, PM me and we can agree on a meeting spot and settle this with queensberry rules, that's a serious offer btw. I've been a member of this community since 2005 and i've never met a more toxic individual.

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