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    A handful of friends heading to France for the winter season just had their jobs pulled from under them because France has just gone into a psuedo-lockdown.

    I had a look at everyone's coronvirus figures and it seems several european countries are posting huge second wave figures. Way bigger than the first wave.

    I'm not seeing much in the news though. Is that the same everywhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phrixus Zephyr View Post
    A handful of friends heading to France for the winter season just had their jobs pulled from under them because France has just gone into a psuedo-lockdown.

    I had a look at everyone's coronvirus figures and it seems several european countries are posting huge second wave figures. Way bigger than the first wave.

    I'm not seeing much in the news though. Is that the same everywhere?

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    Nope. Australia has had its second wave, just gotten it under control.

    The US is onto its 3rd "wave".

    Japan is kinda had its second wave in August, but it's mostly under control through a decent track and trace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai View Post
    The US is onto its 3rd "wave".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phrixus Zephyr View Post
    A handful of friends heading to France for the winter season just had their jobs pulled from under them because France has just gone into a psuedo-lockdown.

    I had a look at everyone's coronvirus figures and it seems several european countries are posting huge second wave figures. Way bigger than the first wave.

    I'm not seeing much in the news though. Is that the same everywhere?

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    Maybe you are looking at positive test results? There is a lot more testing going on now than earlier this year, which can give a wrong impression. Better to compare hospital admission figures (or deaths, but deaths are obviously lagging infections by I guess about a month).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phrixus Zephyr View Post
    A handful of friends heading to France for the winter season just had their jobs pulled from under them because France has just gone into a psuedo-lockdown.

    I had a look at everyone's coronvirus figures and it seems several european countries are posting huge second wave figures. Way bigger than the first wave.

    I'm not seeing much in the news though. Is that the same everywhere?

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    The figures aren't really comparable, currently in europe pretty much anyone with any mild corona like symptoms will be tested. During the first outbreak only some of the people hospitalized for corona were getting tested, and some of the health care sector workers. So the testing is catching the mild cases that were just ignored previously. The only metrics that will be somewhat comparable are hospitalized cases and deaths, but even there improved treatment regimes and earlier detection will alter the data significantly.

    For example in Finland the cases detected per day have been way past the peaks from spring, but hospitalizations haven't really peaked nor the ICU cases and there have been only few isolated deaths.

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    You're both right with your statements that more tests are resulting in higher infection numbers (detected). So yes, simply comparing infection numbers from now to those in the spring is comparing apples with oranges (fun fact: for whatever reason the German equivalent is literally "comparing apples to pears"). But even with improved treatment, the critical figure to watch out for is the number of available intense care medical beds and medical staff to look after those. The latter even more than the former. The lack thereof led to all the mayhem we witnessed this spring.

    Merkel herself in her podcast urged the German public to stay the fuck at home and social distance properly. And a few days later, instead of basically telling the same again in other words, she went "OK folks, here's what I said the last time, listen to it this time" and literally played that previous podcast again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    And a few days later, instead of basically telling the same again in other words, she went "OK folks, here's what I said the last time, listen to it this time" and literally played that previous podcast again.
    LOL

    I'm not listening to that, so I missed it. But this reminds me of the press conference Berlin's mayor held a few days ago. He basically went 'I won't be played for a fool again. If you look at the numbers elsewhere you can't possible think this will pass by us. If we look at our own numbers we can't believe that.'

    A lot of places in Germany are getting hit hard right now, especially those that got off lightly earlier. East Germany for example hasn't had a lot of cases in the first wave, partially thanks to the Czech locking down hard. Now the areas closest to the Czech Republic are getting massive spikes in infections.

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    I don't listen to her podcast either, but heard a report about it either in a radio report about the rising cases (hr info) or on phoenix (e.g. "Corona nachgehakt"). I think the former, but I'm not sure.

    Regardless - it made grin. Basically a politician's way of throwing out a Samuel L. Jackson's "English, motherfuckers, do you speak it?" to all those who don't follow commmon sense measures.

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    In the Netherlands the 2nd wave isn't as bad as the 1st wave yet (when you look at actual hospital cases, people tested is far far higher because we utterly failed at testing during the first wave and are barely keeping up now). That said we're failing hard, everyone with half a brain saw this coming and even now the regulations imposed are pretty laughable.

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    If all of Europe tries real hard, maybe you can catch up to the US!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overspark View Post
    In the Netherlands the 2nd wave isn't as bad as the 1st wave yet (when you look at actual hospital cases, people tested is far far higher because we utterly failed at testing during the first wave and are barely keeping up now). That said we're failing hard, everyone with half a brain saw this coming and even now the regulations imposed are pretty laughable.
    With any luck Finland has already passed the peak of the second wave: https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11300232 (graph data is always lagging somewhat so the figures for last few days are under the real numbers, so the dip at the end isn't as big as it seems). It has been about 15ish deaths from the 2nd wave so far, about 340 from the first one.

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    Sweden rising like the dark night as well.

    119 personer ligger inne på sjukhus med konstaterad covid-19 i Region Stockholm. Det är 34 fler än i förra rapporten.
    Av dessa ligger 14 i intensivvård (+5), 84 på akutsjukhus (+25)och 21 i geriatrisk vård utanför akutsjukhus (+4)
    That is snow goon speak for 119 persons in hospital with confirmed C19 in Stockholm Region, 34 more than last report.
    14 in ICU (+5), 84 in ICU hospitals (+25) and 21 in [some kind of care] out side ICU hospitals.


    Sweden Last 2 weeks +15k cases and 19 dead (after -30 corrected number 2 weeks)
    Sweden Total confirmed cases 115k (+5k), Dead: 5918 (-15, corrected number 1 week), 418 people in hospital, 58 in ICU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowa [NSN] View Post
    Sweden rising like the dark night as well.
    Not great, but not exactly terrible either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Phrixus Zephyr View Post
    A handful of friends heading to France for the winter season just had their jobs pulled from under them because France has just gone into a psuedo-lockdown.

    I had a look at everyone's coronvirus figures and it seems several european countries are posting huge second wave figures. Way bigger than the first wave.

    I'm not seeing much in the news though. Is that the same everywhere?

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    Nope. Australia has had its second wave, just gotten it under control.

    The US is onto its 3rd "wave".
    Must everything be a competition, America?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phrixus Zephyr View Post
    A handful of friends heading to France for the winter season just had their jobs pulled from under them because France has just gone into a psuedo-lockdown.

    I had a look at everyone's coronvirus figures and it seems several european countries are posting huge second wave figures. Way bigger than the first wave.

    I'm not seeing much in the news though. Is that the same everywhere?

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    Nope. Australia has had its second wave, just gotten it under control.

    The US is onto its 3rd "wave".
    Must everything be a competition, America?
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    Something to note as well: despite the science still catching up, we* do know more about this virus and how to treat/prevent some of the worst symptoms. That coupled with younger people catching this second wave means that cases are somewhat less severe. Certainly the people who end up in hospital on average stay for a shorter period. So, several reasons that the first & second wave are not entirely comparable.

    *By 'we' I obviously mean the good doctors & nurses of this planet

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    Natural selection also tends to make viruses less deadly over time because killing a host reduces transmission vectors.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    The situation in the UK is making me despair, but I don't know if Europe also experiencing heavy waves gives me comfort or just makes me even sadder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indi View Post
    Something to note as well: despite the science still catching up, we* do know more about this virus and how to treat/prevent some of the worst symptoms. That coupled with younger people catching this second wave means that cases are somewhat less severe. Certainly the people who end up in hospital on average stay for a shorter period. So, several reasons that the first & second wave are not entirely comparable.

    *By 'we' I obviously mean the good doctors & nurses of this planet
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    Quote Originally Posted by indi View Post
    Something to note as well: despite the science still catching up, we* do know more about this virus and how to treat/prevent some of the worst symptoms. That coupled with younger people catching this second wave means that cases are somewhat less severe. Certainly the people who end up in hospital on average stay for a shorter period. So, several reasons that the first & second wave are not entirely comparable.

    *By 'we' I obviously mean the good doctors & nurses of this planet
    That depends on your definition of "severe", I guess. Yes, less immediate casualties from it. But given that we meanwhile know that COVID-19 causes e.g. severe heart damage to even the young and healthy, in the (very) long run the mortality numbers might not be as low as we wish.

    BTW, nice graphic for the mentally challenged who don't understand how prevention works:
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