Ukraine: Russian Invasion

[VARRAKK]

[Lowa [NSN]]

Lol f35s… talk about missing Peruns point completely.

F16 and above all *advanced munitions* is the best, easiest and fastest way to get western jets onto the scene.
Keywords is advanced munitions, if they dont get that included its all for nothing imho.

Id love to see gripen but realistically its not and should not be an option at this stage (But by all means, work towards it).

[Candy Crush]

Nice video, but Combined Arms Breach is what Ukraine will be facing if they actually counterattack Russia.Performing a combined arms breach is in the top 3 of military operations, with Amphibious Assault being the most difficult in my opinion, then Airborne Assault and last Combined Arms Breach.

They need 3 brigades that are fully up to speed on conducting a combined arms breach and will need to have at least 3 more that are ready to exploit the breakthrough. They haven't received all the promised armored, the CV90 is just transiting Germany this week and 100 Leo 1's are ready for delivery.

And they badly need planes to conduct CAS because the Russians will rely primarily on artillery.

[Malcanis]

The UAF seems to have had a particular grudge against Russian artillery lately. They've been claiming over 20 destroyed per day for the last couple of weeks.

Artur Rehei claims this has primarily been done with Ukraine's new fpv kamikaze drones.

[Nordstern]

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/05/24/7403699/
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/05/27/7404183/

Lukashenko has been hospitalized in critical condition in Moscow. Commentary suggests that he is dying, Russia is transporting nukes to Belarus, and Russian commentators have suggested pivoting to invading Belarus.

Here's a mental exercise for NATO: An annexation of Belarus by Russia would not be acceptable to the security situation in Europe. Nor is a power void. So, would it be feasible to stage multiple divisions along the Polish-Belarus border to rush east to create a buffer zone in case the Russians move in? How many troops would you need? How far would you go? What would the RoE be?

[duckduck]

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/05/24/7403699/
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/05/27/7404183/

Lukashenko has been hospitalized in critical condition in Moscow. Commentary suggests that he is dying, Russia is transporting nukes to Belarus, and Russian commentators have suggested pivoting to invading Belarus.

Here's a mental exercise for NATO: An annexation of Belarus by Russia would not be acceptable to the security situation in Europe. Nor is a power void. So, would it be feasible to stage multiple divisions along the Polish-Belarus border to rush east to create a buffer zone in case the Russians move in? How many troops would you need? How far would you go? What would the RoE be?

Most 'serious' news sources don't seem to be reporting this. I wonder what the truth is.

[Candy Crush]

Luka is in the position where neither Russia nor Ukraine want him to die. I'm not surprised to see at the news that Germany sent a special plane to bring him for treatment.

[VARRAKK]

Belarus is a peculiar one.

AFAIK, only Lukashenko and the military command supports Russia.
If El Presidente dies, Russia might end up losing one of their few allies (which it just now armed with nuclear missiles).

[Hel OWeen]

Reason why Ukraine is getting F-16 over Gripens is the availability of frames.

This!

The Ukraine requesting both Leo tanks and F-16 planes is because of their availability.

[Spartan Dax]

Reason why Ukraine is getting F-16 over Gripens is the availability of frames.

This!

The Ukraine requesting both Leo tanks and F-16 planes is because of their availability.

TBH they probably only need about 20 Meteor armed Gripens to force the Russian airforce away. But Sweden is not in NATO and will need them if shit goes sideways.

[Malcanis]

Belarus is a peculiar one.

AFAIK, only Lukashenko and the military command supports Russia.
If El Presidente dies, Russia might end up losing one of their few allies (which it just now armed with nuclear missiles).

Belarus is de facto occupied by Russia already.

[Dee Jiensai]

Belarus is a peculiar one.

AFAIK, only Lukashenko and the military command supports Russia.
If El Presidente dies, Russia might end up losing one of their few allies (which it just now armed with nuclear missiles).

Belarus is de facto occupied by Russia already.

The important point is, if there is someone who can get the support of the "middle management and Board of directors" (for a lack of better words) to continue in Lukashenkos track.
The truely insane ones never think to groom a follow-up/replacement (because they don't care what happens after they die I guess).
If no-one can unite the current power base behind him, this could be an interesting time in there.

[Malcanis]

My point is that that the Russian forces already in Belarus have the final say, and Putin sees a large untapped resource of fit, healthy potential conscripts just going to waste when they could be catching bullets in Ukraine.

[Dee Jiensai]

My point is that that the Russian forces already in Belarus have the final say, and Putin sees a large untapped resource of fit, healthy potential conscripts just going to waste when they could be catching bullets in Ukraine.

Could very well come to that. Maybe the Ruskies manage to isntall (another?) puppet too?

[Candy Crush]

My point is that that the Russian forces already in Belarus have the final say, and Putin sees a large untapped resource of fit, healthy potential conscripts just going to waste when they could be catching bullets in Ukraine.

I am not sure that the general population will want to kiss Putin's boot and go en masse to die in Ukraine in the name of Great Russia. Luka tried in the past 6 months to distance himself from Putin, last week Roman Protasevich was pardoned from 8 years sentence and there were rumors about secret talks with Ukraine not to allow Russia to open a second front from Belarus.
If Putin will feel that he is losing influence and intervenes as he did in 2014 in Ukraine, he will face a resistance movement financed and armed by Ukraine, there are already ethnic Belarusian units in the Ukrainian army ready to intervene. An insurgency war in Belarus is something Putin wants to avoid.
He simply doesn't have the manpower and resources. 48 hours incursion in Belgorod oblast showed how weak and understrength the Russian army is. Leaving your border unprotected with a country you declared war on is a master strategist plan.

[DerWish]

In case you need any info on the Russian economy, here is an absolutely easy to understand explanation from a Russia.

[Candy Crush]

Newly delivered:
- ammunition for LEOPARD 1*
- +2 truck tractor trains 8x8 HX81 and 14 semi-trailers* (total 19)
- +7 tracked and remote controlled infantry vehicles THeMIS* (total 14)
Newly pledged:
- 64 tracked all-terrain vehicles Bandvagn 206 (BV206)
- 66 APC

https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-...kraine-2054992

We are long away from 5000 helmets...

[Hel OWeen]

Military History Visualized makes an interesting argument that the German Wiesel might be a better fit for the needs of Ukraine and the terrain there than the Leopard. It's stated in the video that actual tank vs. tank combat, i.e. MBT vs. MBT, is quite rare in conflict.

[Candy Crush]

It supposed to be Ukrainian counteroffensive not Russians invading Russia.

[tulip]

Is it actual Russians? I had just assumed it was Ukraine pulling a reverse "little green men" manoeuvre, for political, military and poetic advantage.