CitiesXL Platinum vs SimCity5

[Jolin]

I cannot speak for CitiesXL, but Sim City, is a very good game. The main reason I think most people don't like it, is just general EA Hate, DRM Hate, and being bad at games.

It's a true simulation. A lot of people don't get this. They just wanna plop shit down wherever. Citizens have no access to healthcare, the police, education etc. Their city does not flourish. Then they go "WTF THIS SHIT IS BUGGED! FUCK EA!"

Where you place things matter, streets matter. The subway system matters, having good access to jobs, education, matters. Not being next to pollution matters. Having a place to walk your dog matters, being close to shops so you can get a bite to eat after work or just window shop matters, and traffic is a very big part of this game, anyone who says it's not hasn't played it or ya know...just doesn't give a fuck about their city congestion. People want to build a utopia with only rich people, well sorry, real cities need to address low income housing and address low income needs. All these things actually factor in to the actual functioning of city. A lot of people think its, "buggy" because they can't just put shit wherever they want and expect the city to function. You have a limited amount of space and people say this is bad, but you actually have to meet the needs of an actual city and the amount of space they give you to do that is more than enough and an actual challenge. Most people just wanna plop shit down and see it grow. You have to specialize your cities and then build other adjacent cities that provide what other cities lack. There is no perfect utopia one stop shop city, like ya know...real cities. It's a really fun game. Also since its online you have to adjust to what other people are doing, if you're playing in their region that is. You can't have two gambling cities in the same region. They'll compete for tourism and both cities will suck.

That shit aside, it is full of extra shit you have to pay for, like electric cars etc, and all this extra dlc is tied to real companies... product placement and all that but whatever, the base game is really fun and in-depth.

I think you did not play during launch. When people cried that simcity was bugged, they did not mean "my city is shit and i dont know why", they mean ACTUAL bugs.
A few of note that I still remember:
Busses/service vehicles looping around the same streets/making congo lines instead of being simulated realisticaly
Cars being stuck on roads causing infinite duration traffic jam, which you can do nothing about
Cash gifted between cities being lost forever or duplicated and recieved many times over
Burning buildings next to firestations not being extinguished while fire trucks did nothing
Deleting a garage would permanently reduce your max vehicle count by one even if garage was replaced
Unremovable items/debris left on the floor after removing buildings, became impossible to build there
Cities not recieving benefits from neighbouring region-wide building effects
Traffic not simulated properly, always takes shortest distance route regardless of road quality/congestion
Pedestrians walking round and round in a circle on crossroads causing huge traffic jams for no reason
Tourism randomly stops working, tourism/gambling based cities were not viable because of this
Hospitals are useless, citizens are replaced instantly when dead but take forever to reach a hospital and recover
And the best one: cities randomly become corrupted and/or lost forever, losing hours upon hours of work

You can say L2P all you want, but if you claim simcity was free of bugs you are just deluding yourself

There was also the bug feature where a medium or low wealth person would move into a high-wealth house, simply because it was the closest house to his workplace and then immediately start complaining because he can't afford it.

[Victoria Steckersaurus]

There was also the bug feature where a medium or low wealth person would move into a high-wealth house, simply because it was the closest house to his workplace and then immediately start complaining because he can't afford it.

that was one of my favorite "wtf" moments - when it came out that their simulation of people had each individual leave home, go to the closest job, leave work, go to the closest house. The results were horrendous, especially for fucking up traffic.

[friznit]

SimCity 4 Deluxe every time. Add Network Addon Mod and other mods to taste.

[whispous]

Simcity (5) was and is awful and it should be left to die.

sent from tefpho e

[dpidcoe]

There was also the bug feature where a medium or low wealth person would move into a high-wealth house, simply because it was the closest house to his workplace and then immediately start complaining because he can't afford it.

Sounds legit to me, this happens in california all the time.

[Rhaegor Stormborn]

I like Anno 2070 for my city building needs.

[98% Slut]

I cannot speak for CitiesXL, but Sim City, is a very good game. The main reason I think most people don't like it, is just general EA Hate, DRM Hate, and being bad at games.

It's a true simulation. A lot of people don't get this. They just wanna plop shit down wherever. Citizens have no access to healthcare, the police, education etc. Their city does not flourish. Then they go "WTF THIS SHIT IS BUGGED! FUCK EA!"

Where you place things matter, streets matter. The subway system matters, having good access to jobs, education, matters. Not being next to pollution matters. Having a place to walk your dog matters, being close to shops so you can get a bite to eat after work or just window shop matters, and traffic is a very big part of this game, anyone who says it's not hasn't played it or ya know...just doesn't give a fuck about their city congestion. People want to build a utopia with only rich people, well sorry, real cities need to address low income housing and address low income needs. All these things actually factor in to the actual functioning of city. A lot of people think its, "buggy" because they can't just put shit wherever they want and expect the city to function. You have a limited amount of space and people say this is bad, but you actually have to meet the needs of an actual city and the amount of space they give you to do that is more than enough and an actual challenge. Most people just wanna plop shit down and see it grow. You have to specialize your cities and then build other adjacent cities that provide what other cities lack. There is no perfect utopia one stop shop city, like ya know...real cities. It's a really fun game. Also since its online you have to adjust to what other people are doing, if you're playing in their region that is. You can't have two gambling cities in the same region. They'll compete for tourism and both cities will suck.

That shit aside, it is full of extra shit you have to pay for, like electric cars etc, and all this extra dlc is tied to real companies... product placement and all that but whatever, the base game is really fun and in-depth.

I think you did not play during launch. When people cried that simcity was bugged, they did not mean "my city is shit and i dont know why", they mean ACTUAL bugs.
A few of note that I still remember:
Busses/service vehicles looping around the same streets/making congo lines instead of being simulated realisticaly
Cars being stuck on roads causing infinite duration traffic jam, which you can do nothing about
Cash gifted between cities being lost forever or duplicated and recieved many times over
Burning buildings next to firestations not being extinguished while fire trucks did nothing
Deleting a garage would permanently reduce your max vehicle count by one even if garage was replaced
Unremovable items/debris left on the floor after removing buildings, became impossible to build there
Cities not recieving benefits from neighbouring region-wide building effects
Traffic not simulated properly, always takes shortest distance route regardless of road quality/congestion
Pedestrians walking round and round in a circle on crossroads causing huge traffic jams for no reason
Tourism randomly stops working, tourism/gambling based cities were not viable because of this
Hospitals are useless, citizens are replaced instantly when dead but take forever to reach a hospital and recover
And the best one: cities randomly become corrupted and/or lost forever, losing hours upon hours of work

You can say L2P all you want, but if you claim simcity was free of bugs you are just deluding yourself

There was also the bug feature where a medium or low wealth person would move into a high-wealth house, simply because it was the closest house to his workplace and then immediately start complaining because he can't afford it.

I never said it was bug free. I did play at launch. Everything I said still stands. A lot of the bugs were fixed. And I still think it's a fun game. Just because I don't shit all over the game, does not mean that I'm not aware of it's flaws.

[Steph]

I cannot speak for CitiesXL, but Sim City, is a very good game. The main reason I think most people don't like it, is just general EA Hate, DRM Hate, and being bad at games.

It's a true simulation. A lot of people don't get this. They just wanna plop shit down wherever. Citizens have no access to healthcare, the police, education etc. Their city does not flourish. Then they go "WTF THIS SHIT IS BUGGED! FUCK EA!"

Where you place things matter, streets matter. The subway system matters, having good access to jobs, education, matters. Not being next to pollution matters. Having a place to walk your dog matters, being close to shops so you can get a bite to eat after work or just window shop matters, and traffic is a very big part of this game, anyone who says it's not hasn't played it or ya know...just doesn't give a fuck about their city congestion. People want to build a utopia with only rich people, well sorry, real cities need to address low income housing and address low income needs. All these things actually factor in to the actual functioning of city. A lot of people think its, "buggy" because they can't just put shit wherever they want and expect the city to function. You have a limited amount of space and people say this is bad, but you actually have to meet the needs of an actual city and the amount of space they give you to do that is more than enough and an actual challenge. Most people just wanna plop shit down and see it grow. You have to specialize your cities and then build other adjacent cities that provide what other cities lack. There is no perfect utopia one stop shop city, like ya know...real cities. It's a really fun game. Also since its online you have to adjust to what other people are doing, if you're playing in their region that is. You can't have two gambling cities in the same region. They'll compete for tourism and both cities will suck.

That shit aside, it is full of extra shit you have to pay for, like electric cars etc, and all this extra dlc is tied to real companies... product placement and all that but whatever, the base game is really fun and in-depth.

I think you did not play during launch. When people cried that simcity was bugged, they did not mean "my city is shit and i dont know why", they mean ACTUAL bugs.
A few of note that I still remember:
Busses/service vehicles looping around the same streets/making congo lines instead of being simulated realisticaly
Cars being stuck on roads causing infinite duration traffic jam, which you can do nothing about
Cash gifted between cities being lost forever or duplicated and recieved many times over
Burning buildings next to firestations not being extinguished while fire trucks did nothing
Deleting a garage would permanently reduce your max vehicle count by one even if garage was replaced
Unremovable items/debris left on the floor after removing buildings, became impossible to build there
Cities not recieving benefits from neighbouring region-wide building effects
Traffic not simulated properly, always takes shortest distance route regardless of road quality/congestion
Pedestrians walking round and round in a circle on crossroads causing huge traffic jams for no reason
Tourism randomly stops working, tourism/gambling based cities were not viable because of this
Hospitals are useless, citizens are replaced instantly when dead but take forever to reach a hospital and recover
And the best one: cities randomly become corrupted and/or lost forever, losing hours upon hours of work

You can say L2P all you want, but if you claim simcity was free of bugs you are just deluding yourself

There was also the bug feature where a medium or low wealth person would move into a high-wealth house, simply because it was the closest house to his workplace and then immediately start complaining because he can't afford it.

I never said it was bug free. I did play at launch. Everything I said still stands. A lot of the bugs were fixed. And I still think it's a fun game. Just because I don't shit all over the game, does not mean that I'm not aware of it's flaws.

Except every single thing you said about the game in your first post is demonstrably false.

[dpidcoe]

I cannot speak for CitiesXL, but Sim City, is a very good game. The main reason I think most people don't like it, is just general EA Hate, DRM Hate, and being bad at games.

It's a true simulation. A lot of people don't get this. They just wanna plop shit down wherever. Citizens have no access to healthcare, the police, education etc. Their city does not flourish. Then they go "WTF THIS SHIT IS BUGGED! FUCK EA!"

Where you place things matter, streets matter. The subway system matters, having good access to jobs, education, matters. Not being next to pollution matters. Having a place to walk your dog matters, being close to shops so you can get a bite to eat after work or just window shop matters, and traffic is a very big part of this game, anyone who says it's not hasn't played it or ya know...just doesn't give a fuck about their city congestion. People want to build a utopia with only rich people, well sorry, real cities need to address low income housing and address low income needs. All these things actually factor in to the actual functioning of city. A lot of people think its, "buggy" because they can't just put shit wherever they want and expect the city to function. You have a limited amount of space and people say this is bad, but you actually have to meet the needs of an actual city and the amount of space they give you to do that is more than enough and an actual challenge. Most people just wanna plop shit down and see it grow. You have to specialize your cities and then build other adjacent cities that provide what other cities lack. There is no perfect utopia one stop shop city, like ya know...real cities. It's a really fun game. Also since its online you have to adjust to what other people are doing, if you're playing in their region that is. You can't have two gambling cities in the same region. They'll compete for tourism and both cities will suck.

That shit aside, it is full of extra shit you have to pay for, like electric cars etc, and all this extra dlc is tied to real companies... product placement and all that but whatever, the base game is really fun and in-depth.

I think you did not play during launch. When people cried that simcity was bugged, they did not mean "my city is shit and i dont know why", they mean ACTUAL bugs.
A few of note that I still remember:
Busses/service vehicles looping around the same streets/making congo lines instead of being simulated realisticaly
Cars being stuck on roads causing infinite duration traffic jam, which you can do nothing about
Cash gifted between cities being lost forever or duplicated and recieved many times over
Burning buildings next to firestations not being extinguished while fire trucks did nothing
Deleting a garage would permanently reduce your max vehicle count by one even if garage was replaced
Unremovable items/debris left on the floor after removing buildings, became impossible to build there
Cities not recieving benefits from neighbouring region-wide building effects
Traffic not simulated properly, always takes shortest distance route regardless of road quality/congestion
Pedestrians walking round and round in a circle on crossroads causing huge traffic jams for no reason
Tourism randomly stops working, tourism/gambling based cities were not viable because of this
Hospitals are useless, citizens are replaced instantly when dead but take forever to reach a hospital and recover
And the best one: cities randomly become corrupted and/or lost forever, losing hours upon hours of work

You can say L2P all you want, but if you claim simcity was free of bugs you are just deluding yourself

There was also the bug feature where a medium or low wealth person would move into a high-wealth house, simply because it was the closest house to his workplace and then immediately start complaining because he can't afford it.

I never said it was bug free. I did play at launch. Everything I said still stands. A lot of the bugs were fixed. And I still think it's a fun game. Just because I don't shit all over the game, does not mean that I'm not aware of it's flaws.

Hels, it that you?

[98% Slut]

Which is the better game for casual play? I'm leaning CitiesXL but I'm not sure it's a solid game based upon what I've read.

Yes well.

I was simply trying to say that I'm very aware that this is a polarizing game. Me and mates have a lot of fun when we play it and its cool to see what others come up with and we have fun working together to make a cohesive region. There are bugs granted but nothing that I personally feel to be game breaking. I actually enjoyed coming up with new ways to make a working city and ways to make your city still flourish knowing how certain things will operate. I liked that, but I also like very challenging games. I suggest if you have a passing interest in this game that you watch a couple Let's Plays and building tutorials. They contain a lot of interesting tips and tricks that get around things that might seem frustrating to some. Having a productive city, I found, takes a lot of planning ahead. Setting up a large portion of your cities road infrastructure before you've even designated a single zone, for example. But again, that's the kind of thing that I enjoy and it might not suite everyone.

Also, be warned. Don't expect this game to be like any of the previous Sim Cities, it's very different, another reason I suspect it garnered some of it's disdain, since the previous Sim Cities, were fun and well made games in their own right.

[Lana Torrin]

Option 5 (4 being sim city 4) is do what the rest of us are doing and wait for Banished.

[Pacefalm]

Maybe derailed the thread a bit too much toward "lets hate on simcity again", was not the intention.

I never said it was bug free. I did play at launch. Everything I said still stands. A lot of the bugs were fixed. And I still think it's a fun game. Just because I don't shit all over the game, does not mean that I'm not aware of it's flaws.

Fair enough... I never really gave it a chance after launch so I suppose I am not up to date with which issues have already been resolved etc.. I just felt I had to respond since it seemed to me like you were blaming the players for Simcity's faults. If you enjoy the game then more power to you.

[Me]

Had Cities in Motion since beta, and while enjoyable every now and then it's never really hooked me. It just feels as if it's missing something, I can't put my finger on what though.

Does the sequel add much?

[Lana Torrin]

Had Cities in Motion since beta, and while enjoyable every now and then it's never really hooked me. It just feels as if it's missing something, I can't put my finger on what though.

Does the sequel add much?

It looks pretty? Not really its pretty much the same thing.

[whispous]

IMO CiM2 is uglier but much better optimised.

sent from tefpho e

[rojomojo915]

I like Anno 2070 for my city building needs.

This

[Victoria Steckersaurus]

For what it's worth, Cities in Motion 2 just got added to the current humble bundle and can be yours for under $5.

[Smuggo]

For what it's worth, Cities in Motion 2 just got added to the current humble bundle and can be yours for under $5.

Yeah, i saw that, think I might as well give it a go.

[alcibiades]

Sim city was trash on release, 98%'s review sounds like one of the paid off critic's reviews - bullshit.


In depth!

[Frug]

I was simply trying to say that I'm very aware that this is a polarizing game.

Except that you said that the reason people complained about it was that it was too difficult and in depth for them, even though every single complaint i ever heard by anyone about that game was because it was a buggy pile of shit at launch. I suspect it's still a pile of poo mostly because your posting is bad.

Anyway, cities XL games are a little bland and my totally biased and unscientific assessment of it is that it's devoid of love. I bought it a while back (before it went platinum on steam) because it was advertised as having an online component which they had removed without really telling anyone clearly. There was supposed to be some sort of online world where your city could trade with other cities or something but they canned it. It's not a bad game and can be pretty in parts I guess.

Some parts are actually a bit lacking in depth as well imo. Like there are all these housing bundles that used to be DLC but then became part of the core game, and they make housing look different, but nothing actually does anything. A lot of the features seem to be that way. Stuff looks different but doesn't seem to affect anything.

I suppose I secretly desire the ability to set everything on fire or summon an alien to stomp all over it, and the game has nothing like that.